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Topic: G TD01/TD02 & BT01 (Read 193998 times)
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AloisTrancy
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 20, 2014, 02:02:34 PM »
Honestly, getting two swings at the vanguard is kind of meaningless. They'll let the first hit and guard the second, since if you don't stand first with dauntless' skill, you can't use it later. This means you'll be dropping 3 cards from your hand (4 if you retire) and drive checking 4 times, while at most killing three rearguards (if you use fargo). Sure you'll deal a damage, but that doesn't matter if it's earlier in the game. Without draw triggers, you completely lose the twin drive advantage, and only take down two rearguards, and this is not worst case scenario. This costs cb 2.
With Overlord, on the other hand, starts by attacking the rearguard, and they'll let that hit since they'll lose two rearguards either way (if you use fargo), then you stand with the breakride skill and choose either the vanguard or the rearguards and attack again. Which you choose won't matter since if they let either one hit, they aren't that smart. Preferably, though, you'll swing at a rearguard, so they have to waste more cards stopping it since it will probably have less power than the vanguard. With this turn, you're killing at least 4 rearguards, if not all 5, and gaining the regular two card advantage that twin drive brings. All it costs is cb 2.
If you crush your opponents rears and have cards like Tarayev in your rearguard circle, you can easily force the opponent to use their hand to guard your rearguard attacks, which should be pumped with triggers, and not have to worry about hitting with the X right away, since you'll want to tear down their rearguard lineups.
All in all, Dauntless is more costly for something that isn't as advantageous in my opinion. Plus he doesn't give that cross power which helps you swing at 31k with only a 7k booster.
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 20, 2014, 02:10:23 PM »
That is the worst case scenario. At its worse, its a +0. With draw triggers it becomes more advantageous and theres still Critical checks or even them being unable to stop a 32 behemoth.
Overlord makes the Vanguard kill what it was already going to kill in the first place if they defend themselves. They aren't going to try and save a rearguard from the Break Ride's swing of course, because they'd basically be dropping everything for an extra intercept for the next attack. The second attack at a rearguard is different though.
Dauntless is more costly because it gives you the option of finishing the game faster. Overlord Break Ride gives you more control and hand for the long run. You barely need to worry about field nukes early on since the Overlord twins will tear the vanguard apart and The X's Persona Blast is going to wipe the backrow while your other rears bully their rears, unless they're on five damage.
There's always the choice of just not using a Break Ride at all. Not like you're losing anything.
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 20, 2014, 02:31:16 PM »
No, actually. Worst case scenario would be that you don't take out any rearguards, meaning you don't have The X in hand, they guard both attacks, and you manage to get 1 extra card off the twin drive, while checking no triggers, and your opponent heals when your rearguards attack. But this is very, very unlikely to ever happen to anyone, so I'm not considering it.
My scenario was very plausible, though there would probably be at least one draw trigger involved.
Breakriding with Dauntless garners you no real positive effect, honestly. Breakriding with Overlord increases advantage and gives you the cross power while also letting you smash their rearguard harder than ever. It's also harder to stop, since the goal isn't to restand a lot or deal damage witht he vanguard, but to smash their rears.
Also, if they can't stop a 32k monster, they definitely won't stop a 34k swinging at their 9k rearguard, so then with Overlord you'll kill two more rears and stand with yet another +. Then you can attack the vanguard. Thus giving even more advantage.
All in all, if you're going to play a breakride, it's smarter to go with Overlord, since he'll allow to to keep fighting back with no issues, and will whittle the opponent down far faster.
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 20, 2014, 02:34:44 PM »
Well ether way prepare your japan meta game bets. This will be a good bet on topping this season. Unless something comes out of nowhere and surprises us.
This card has so much potential it's really scary. But I have a feeling this isn't the last time we see a overlord support.
And in addition all the mind games it will play. Be ready.
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 20, 2014, 02:35:59 PM »
I can't say if this will top or not, but with the Great still being a thing, I would say this card isn't going to overpower it. He's just not as powerful as the Great.
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 20, 2014, 02:40:35 PM »
Will Bushi ever come up with a good Kagero boss not named Overlord?
The answer is no. That would require looking toward something like Weathercloth and Blockade as major bosses and we all know Seal Dragons aren't real cards.
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 20, 2014, 02:42:55 PM »
Seal what?
Uh
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Vortex Dragonewt was good!!!
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 20, 2014, 10:16:23 PM »
Margal
[ACT](RC):[Put this unit into your soul] Choose up to one of your «Royal Paladin», and that unit gets [Power]+3000 until end of turn.
Well have fun with this reprint.
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 20, 2014, 10:20:02 PM »
Trial Decks are announced to be getting some sort of upgrade to make them easier to play. This info and Margal being the COTD may be saying that vanilla triggers will be dying out and Trial Deck trigger sets will be getting more skills.
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 21, 2014, 03:41:53 AM »
lel woulda been nice if they would add a artwork for the remake
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 21, 2014, 12:11:18 PM »
It's not really a remake, just a reprint. And honestly there's no need for new card art on triggers. Lozenge's 3 artworks were bad enough.
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 21, 2014, 09:06:27 PM »
Speaking of Lozenge. Any confirmation about reprinted cards in the booster set?
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 21, 2014, 09:10:56 PM »
Lozenge only has two arts. The third art you're thinking of is likely Sphere Magus.
I haven't heard anything about reprints for the booster. I know there was a reprint confirmed for G-TD01, but Margal was it.
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 21, 2014, 10:24:40 PM »
Quote from: Cherry on October 21, 2014, 09:10:56 PM
Lozenge only has two arts.
That's true but with the amount of time's she's been reprinted could have caused the confus...
Oh no please Bushi do not reprint Lozenge again this set please. x.x
Also is it just me or is Lozenge Magus the most reprinted card in vanguard history.
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Re: G TD01/TD02 & BT01
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October 22, 2014, 11:07:14 PM »
Paisley Magus
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[AUTO](R) When this unit is placed on (RC), if you have a vanguard with "Magus" in its name, look at the top card of your deck, and put it on the top or the bottom of your deck.
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