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AloisTrancy:
First point: You can make an impression on a character based on their appearance, but doing so for an anime is like judging a bookstore based on the appearance of the people that shop there. "Normal" or not it's stupid. Have you seriously never heard of "Don't judge a book by it's cover"? It's a pretty common saying that rings true for more than books.
Second point: No. I have never hated an anime at first then found out I liked it. Because I don't judge something until I've seen a good portion of it. If after around 10 or so episodes, I determine an anime sucks, I stop watching it. Because at that point it's failed to catch any of my attention and I no longer care. I will always give a good chance to an anime before judging it, however.
Third point: Actually, it does. Even if it doesn't seem like it, having a negative opinion of something before you try vastly increases the likelihood that you won't enjoy it, even if you would have otherwise. That's because your mind already holds something in a negative light, and you're more likely to stick with your preconceptions than not.
Fourth point: This is more of me being asinine, but the plural of "Anime" is "Anime". "Animes" is not a word.
Final point: The looks of the anime aren't what is in question here. We don't know what season 5 will look like, we only know about the way the characters look and what clans they play. So there really isn't anything we can form a good judgment of the show with. Your first impression is from the first episode. That's how you start forming a judgment.
Cherry:
--- Quote from: [MK Paradox]Patrickzzz on October 05, 2014, 01:17:59 AM --- I think the design for this season is a little weird and it doesn't really match the one we had so far,
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I know this should go in Anime Discussion but isn't this a good thing that it doesn't match?
[ER] Patrickzzz:
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--- Quote from: AloisTrancy on October 05, 2014, 01:28:27 AM ---First point: You can make an impression on a character based on their appearance, but doing so for an anime is like judging a bookstore based on the appearance of the people that shop there. "Normal" or not it's stupid. Have you seriously never heard of "Don't judge a book by it's cover"? It's a pretty common saying that rings true for more than books.
Second point: No. I have never hated an anime at first then found out I liked it. Because I don't judge something until I've seen a good portion of it. If after around 10 or so episodes, I determine an anime sucks, I stop watching it. Because at that point it's failed to catch any of my attention and I no longer care. I will always give a good chance to an anime before judging it, however.
Third point: Actually, it does. Even if it doesn't seem like it, having a negative opinion of something before you try vastly increases the likelihood that you won't enjoy it, even if you would have otherwise. That's because your mind already holds something in a negative light, and you're more likely to stick with your preconceptions than not.
Fourth point: This is more of me being asinine, but the plural of "Anime" is "Anime". "Animes" is not a word.
Final point: The looks of the anime aren't what is in question here. We don't know what season 5 will look like, we only know about the way the characters look and what clans they play. So there really isn't anything we can form a good judgment of the show with. Your first impression is from the first episode. That's how you start forming a judgment.
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1:What i'm trying to say is that the cover is a important part of the book. It's the same thing you said about the mind, even tho you don't know or don't admit it the first impression you will have of something it's the first thing you see about it, and that is totally ok as long as you give the content a chance. Yes, i am judging the character design, but that doesn't mean i won't judge the content. It's the same thing to books or even to topics. Someone can make a good point but if it's not an organized topic you won't have a good first impression, a nice cover makes you feel that is likely that the book also has good content. Aesthetics matter.
2: I didn't mean at the middle of the anime i meant when you see an anime description or something and you think "this probably sucks but i will give it a shot" And ends up liking it, or that anime that a friend recommended to you and you don't think you will enjoy it but you do.
3:There's a whole different concept about lower expectations = more likelyhood of enjoying something. That is not a defined rule and it's very circunstantial.
4:Nice to know.
5:I was judging it aesthetically. I'm not in any way making a full judgement of the show before it's released. And as i said i'm actually looking forward to it.
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--- Quote from: Cherry on October 05, 2014, 01:54:05 AM ---
--- Quote from: [MK Paradox]Patrickzzz on October 05, 2014, 01:17:59 AM --- I think the design for this season is a little weird and it doesn't really match the one we had so far,
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I know this should go in Anime Discussion but isn't this a good thing that it doesn't match?
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Good and bad really.
Devour:
I highly suggest some of you look up 'organized scepticism".
I'm fully aware of who the director is and what has been done in the past. Before you try and take things out of context, I suggest you re-read and think about it at first. No, I'm not a fan of the current look of the new characters as they are fairly simmilar to Zexal's, which was the worst YGO 'season' by far, considering characters. Stating that does not mean one must neccessarily hate everything that is even slightly relateable to it.
You're very well free to criticise anything faulty you might notice, be it in design, development or story. However, and this kills everything you've been raging about, we currently only have character designs, which are, and I repeat, Buddyfight x ZeXal look-alike at first, second and every sight past that. No one ever mentioned the entire season is bound to suck solely for the character appearance and/or lack of certain characters. We all expected a cast change, but none of us expected this art style which is very far from the previous one and it'll take time for us to adjust, like it's been before.
Now, this is a discussion on the actual TD's/BT, so keep it at that. And don't swear again. I'm sure you're aware what happens then.
AloisTrancy:
--- Quote from: [MK Paradox]Patrickzzz on October 05, 2014, 02:04:03 AM ---1:What i'm trying to say is that the cover is a important part of the book. It's the same thing you said about the mind, even tho you don't know or don't admit it the first impression you will have of something it's the first thing you see about it, and that is totally ok as long as you give the content a chance. Yes, i am judging the character design, but that doesn't mean i won't judge the content. It's the same thing to books or even to topics. Someone can make a good point but if it's not an organized topic you won't have a good first impression, a nice cover makes you feel that is likely that the book also has good content. Aesthetics matter.
2: I didn't mean at the middle of the anime i meant when you see an anime description or something and you think "this probably sucks but i will give it a shot" And ends up liking it, or that anime that a friend recommended to you and you don't think you will enjoy it but you do.
3:There's a whole different concept about lower expectations = more likelyhood of enjoying something. That is not a defined rule and it's very circunstantial.
4:Nice to know.
5:I was judging it aesthetically. I'm not in any way making a full judgement of the show before it's released. And as i said i'm actually looking forward to it.
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1: No. The cover. Of a book. Does not. Mean anything. About. The. Contents. Character designs mean nothing about the season and judging it based on those is stupid. Period.
2: I know what you meant. And I meant what I said. I don't read anime summaries. I just watch anime that have been suggested to me or I found interesting based on things around me.
3: No it really isn't. If you think negatively about something, your response to it will be generally more negative.
4: You're welcome.
5: You're judging it based on the looks of three characters. Not they way they act. Not the deck they used. Not the story. Nothing but how the main characters have used. Whether or not you're looking forward to it doesn't matter here. You're still judging it harshly based on how the characters look.
As for Devour, I don't know you or know why you're bothering to try and argue against me, but your first mistake was claiming ZeXal was bad. Secondly, scepticism is different than outright bashing.
Maybe you should try to form an argument that isn't based solely on attempting to sound smart before you get back to me.
What you said, doesn't kill anything I'm raging about, at all. You're right, we ONLY have character designs. That's IT. Period. Which means we have NOTHING to judge the season based off of. We can at most judge the characters and that's all.
And they aren't buddyfightxZexal at all. One of them has a more out there hairstyle, but not only is Aichi's hair /still/ crazier than Chrono's, Shion and Tokoha both have pretty simple hair. So their styles is pretty basic. One character with crazy hair and two with more normal hair. And quite a few people have mentioned that, mr. Devour. You think you know it all, but you really seem to be missing quite a lot.
This art style isn't that different at all. Characters have grown up, but that's all. And the new characters? Only one of them hair a hairstyle even moderately different from what we've seen before. Rather than trying to back up a wrong point, you should focus more on learning about what's going on.
You aren't my mom or dad and I honestly don't care if I get kicked or w.e, so don't treat yourself as above me. Because you aren't. I will never understand the stupidity of "No swearing", but whatever.
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