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Is skill being removed from vanguard?

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M4tt:

--- Quote from: Sandy on May 04, 2014, 06:35:28 PM ---I think it's a bit quick to state skill's being lost in a game that already was about 60-70% based around luck anyways. I don't care what anyone else says, three things make you great at this game, card selection, knowledge of how/when to use those skills and luck in drawing what you need/want. I've seen experts fall to beginners because they were either grade locked or in a trigger drought.

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True, this game is heavily based on luck, and granted, any beginner COULD take out even the most skilled players because of it. But (and a big one at that) the depreciation in how complicated it is to use newer support is very apparent and that is what I ment by skill being removed lol.
It doesn't matter what cards you use if you don't know how to use them, but currently, cards are becoming simpler and easier to use.

Magus TSS:
It's honestly really hard to say at this point. I really want to believe Legion is going to open up new potential for vanguard and yes a lot of the skill's feel quite overpowered but I feel like it's too early to really judge Legion. Legion only barely got going so it's really unclear where it will go from here. I have to look at the small bright side though. At least the new cards for these Legion units allow for more Flexibility as a lot of them are not restrictive to having x vanguard or archetype. It was difficult to find that Flexibility with Limit Break units or their support.

aeee98:
The learning curve needed for the newer cards is undoubtedly much lower as compared to season 2 and before. I would say that the amount of skill needed for one to fully utilise a card from season 1 and 2 is almost the same, dropping a little in season 3 and alot more the start of season 4. I am still waiting for a high skill-cap Legion card to come out before I actually try Legion. (I haven't played a single Legion deck yet, even on Area) That will be when more skillful plays are executed.

As for overpowered, I would dare say it isn't at the least OP, but rather too lenient.

Incursio:
I do think Legion wasn't the right way to proceed with Vanguard, the mechanic itself isn't really that bad but the new skills on the units are far too powerful that you can't even compare them to the previous archetypes (see Seekers and Brawlers, etc).
Top that off with Legion having a ridiculous amount of power every turn, and you have complete power creep from the previous season.

Sendo:
Things surely are easier to do now, but... isn't it the evolution of the game? When I mean "easier" I mean "cheaper". Like Gildas getting any Seeker for CB1 when you Perform Legion, or Youjin retiring a frontrow for free when you perform Legion. But, hey, maybe that's not a bad thing. Being able to do more stuff for less means you can do more things (damn, that's redundant, but you guys get what I mean). Being able to do more things, as long as it doesn't break down the game, isn't a bad thing is it?

About the high power thing... I try to see it as everyone being a Round Table Alfred pre-Limit Break with an extra skill. Or a King Alfred without the CONT skill blocking the boost and an extra skill. Without the option of lowering the power my destroying the field, of course. So... I don't really fear the power. What I think is really strong about Legion is the returning trigger part, all the other stuff is just, you know, making things easier so you can do more things.

And while it might reduce the amount of skill needed to do the skills, I guess it requires more skill to guard. Guarding skill might always have been important, but I think it gets more important now. It's not just "guard so you don't take damage", it's "guard right with the right cards, this way you'll have good cards in the Drop Zone". It seams kinda the same saying like that but... I don't know, I really think you need more guarding skill than before.

But, hey, maybe I'm just optimistic about that or maybe I just trust Bushi will do something nice out of this. haha

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