Is skill being removed from vanguard?

[TimPowerGamer]

Skill died in set 8.  It cried in set 5.  7 was the last technical set, with the introduction of Trapesist and the end of hand-swap Angel Feathers.  Now it's just like... you play your cards.

The introduction of overpowered, thoughtless decks like Sephirot became rampant.  I could write a 3 step instruction guide to playing optimally with most of these decks.

Sephirot:
1. Play and extra grade 1 turn 1 when you land the ride chain.
2. Get all like-named units in backrow, preferably through ridechain.
3. Cry when you fight Kagero.  Stomp anything that can't touch your backrow. (pre-set 10)

Ulimate Break decks:
1. Hit 4 damage.
2. Use self damage on a trigger in your damage zone.
3. Faceroll

Kagero:
1. Ride DO.
2. Ride DOtE.
3. Snipe backrow.

Archetype decks took all of the skill out of perfecting deckbuilding as well.

Pick an archetype. 
Put cards in your deck that are of the same archetype as the one you picked.

Profit!

The game has been sliding down the slippery slope for ages now.  These legions aren't hard, but ride X grade 3 over Y grade 3 wasn't, either.

[Magus TSS]

with the introduction of Trapesist and the end of hand-swap Angel Feathers.

Trapesist was out around set 3-4 if i remembered correctly as a promo. Angel feathers was awesome in set 6 kinda wish they wasn't outclassed.

[Incursio]

with the introduction of Trapesist and the end of hand-swap Angel Feathers.

Trapesist was out around set 3-4 if i remembered correctly as a promo. Angel feathers was awesome in set 6 kinda wish they wasn't outclassed.

Angel Feathers are still pretty strong with Ramiel R, I still use the deck pretty often.

[TimPowerGamer]

with the introduction of Trapesist and the end of hand-swap Angel Feathers.

Trapesist was out around set 3-4 if i remembered correctly as a promo. Angel feathers was awesome in set 6 kinda wish they wasn't outclassed.

It came out in English in set 7 as a regular rare.

Angel Feathers are still pretty strong with Ramiel R, I still use the deck pretty often.

I'm not saying that they're weak.  They've just had most of the thought and skill taken out of them.  Especially Zerachiel, which is just:  Call Sariel, break ride if able, reach 4 damage, beat faces.

[crossflames]

In set 13, Catastrophic Outbreak. Chaos Breaker Dragon did scare other players who were new to the 'link joker' clan and gave the user of link joker around 8 cards in his hand when limit break was used. I think some clans got way too much support than others but then again, it helped a card I really liked out. "Dragonic Overlord"

[Incursio]

Angel Feathers are still pretty strong with Ramiel R, I still use the deck pretty often.

I'm not saying that they're weak.  They've just had most of the thought and skill taken out of them.  Especially Zerachiel, which is just:  Call Sariel, break ride if able, reach 4 damage, beat faces.

I see, yeah you're right that it is a lot less than what it was before. Although even with that, I still think they're one of the most skill intensive clans since you need to actually think about how to use the damage zone as a toolbox, and to do that you need to really be able to expect what you're going to be doing in multiple turns from the current one.

[TimPowerGamer]

I'd agree if Celestials actually used the damage zone that much.  Both of their major bosses don't use counterblasts (Remiel "R" doesn't even touch her own damage zone), though.  Well, Zerachiel can, but you're discouraged from it with the way you're limited in total face-up damage.

[FTLol]

I'd agree if Celestials actually used the damage zone that much.  Both of their major bosses don't use counterblasts (Remiel "R" doesn't even touch her own damage zone), though.  Well, Zerachiel can, but you're discouraged from it with the way you're limited in total face-up damage.

Sad Hellm is sad.

[TimPowerGamer]

There is always future support.  Hellm isn't even a good choice when it comes to damage zone shenanigans.  Unlike original damage swappers, where you'd counterblast what you predicted you will want most in your hand later, Hellm can only bring back face-up damage.  She's actually very limited.

It's like, Celestials dump bad cards into the damage zone instead of using it as a second hand to place good cards (like nulls) in exchange for beaters until they're ready to tag them back out later.

[Gamerrepent]

Well, here is my take on the matter:
Back when I started vanguard I was fascinated by 2 cards. CEO amaterasu and Majesty lord blaster. The former kinda died as the meta progressed while the latter still stayed strong (cuz he was op to begin with). I felt like limit break was too strong as it kinda started overshadowing the older meta.
Then for whatever reason I stopped playing vanguard for a year or so, came back: era of break rides and ridiculous effects. Got used to it, started playing ever since set 11 (a lil bit before it came out in english). Then came link jokers, restanding vanguards everywhere, etc.
The main point was that, I had to adapt or I will fall behind. I think that legion is no difference (although the casual me is sad that I won't be able to play my rukie that much)
My take on legion is kind of biased by my years of playing where we had to extend ourselves to hit magic numbers.... I feel like magic numbers are all too easy to hit now (which encourages 8/12/16 crit builds), though if that's where the meta is gonna progress then I'll just get used to it.
Though this was just my opinion/take on the matter so....
And I still think that vanguard takes skill to play, only in different ways..

[crossflames]

In my opinion, Legion makes it easy to lose in the anime while it's not that easy to win in real life with it. So at least it's somewhat balance within life. You still need skill to learn how to beat tough opponents, Legion, Limit break etc.

[Kaze Natsume]

Yea i wont like without Legion you do have to work for your magical numbers but with Lehion its light work just look at the DP Legion its Glory Maelstorm on 1 Damage if you want and you get a free Draw on hit :O

[HunterSerge]

The removal of skill is simply a result of the power creep that's been happening since Season 3. The initial power creep was forgivable as it power creeped Crossrides out of being stupid. Then, Season 4 starts and we take another giant leap in power creep. Now, to be fair, more powerful cards does not automatically equal removal of skill, and there are still decks that are very technical and skill based. However, a lot of this power creep has centered around the introduction of more and more restanding vanguards which, with the exception of a few like Tetra Drive - who is weaker than his cousins because of the loops you need to jump to trigger his restand - these restanding vanguards are absolutely mindless to pilot. There are just as many, very likely more, of these auto-pilot decks as there are technical decks.

[crossflames]

The removal of skill is simply a result of the power creep that's been happening since Season 3. The initial power creep was forgivable as it power creeped Crossrides out of being stupid. Then, Season 4 starts and we take another giant leap in power creep. Now, to be fair, more powerful cards does not automatically equal removal of skill, and there are still decks that are very technical and skill based. However, a lot of this power creep has centered around the introduction of more and more restanding vanguards which, with the exception of a few like Tetra Drive - who is weaker than his cousins because of the loops you need to jump to trigger his restand - these restanding vanguards are absolutely mindless to pilot. There are just as many, very likely more, of these auto-pilot decks as there are technical decks.

They have made Omega "Glendios" seem like the strongest unit in the world, even CBD and other season 3 cards. It's mostly to gain profit and so that there will be more consumers. However, as the new cards are produced less skill is made within the players so I think it's a pretty good reason to have Legion since it means (A new Start)

[Kaze Natsume]

True but meh its Bushiroad what can we ask for xD