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Jai Hearts:
condolance for your team i heard about some of it.

but angels proposal is basically multi team with extra steps allowing those people to still do what they are doing now and probably best you see droids post for his counter.

in the end angels solution is one extreamly flawed one.

we still need the mods help to do some things since they are they always state are the law on here and have the power to atleast back us up when a team is breaking the rules and inforce it or they get a consequence since not everyone will follow this. in the past we had no solid written rule about this but now its so big even sirvat decided to make a post on it.

another problem is most of the leaders are on one single team so one team can have 5 leaders vote for em while single team only has one thats pretty out of balance.

i would go for limitation rules but on here limitations seem to always disappears when it inconveniences someone who has the power to change it or someone close to change it.

in the end i already knew that the ones that can help and make this change possible are against it and wont help.

it would be so awesome if those themselves that are on mutliple teams just stop right now if they wanna double team then be on only two teams and hold to your convictions. if those leaders are your friends they will understand. if a team is big and another is smaller they will probably be a bit upset at first but it will work out.

and to the leaders i say try to be a bit different try to work for your team.

all in all im proud of this community stepping up and speaking there minds on this so there will be a time on its own multi teaming will mostly likely die out again. but for now this is what it is.

ryujiknight:
I now find this debate pointless because i highly doubt it is encouraging people to vote for something else and its starting to have nothing to do with point of double teaming ._.

Moe Shinkō:
Oh boy, the irony is so much in this thread that it's unreal; I'm not taking shots but since we're stating facts let me state some as well, Sirvat weren't you and Ate the one's who started all this 'sub' issue to begin with? You had your team on a no double team rule yet kept 'subbing' for TA even though everyone knew you are part of the team. Sometimes you 'subbed' as Sirvat or sometimes you played as NTA Birth, what exactly prevents others from not doing the same? I can be in multiple teams under different names, woop good job guys nothing really changed. Multi-teaming is ridiculous sure, more then 2 teams is just overboard, limit them to 2 I agree with that. "The issue of fight same players every TB." Stems up from multi-team and subs not Double Teaming. You won't fight the same members if the members are limited to 2 teams instead of being in 5 teams.

I used to be anti-double teaming, I always stuck with one team. TCC, AE, RS, NeoGen then Mu's. Even in Mu's I've joined uh, VS because of shockwave but I don't really do anything there since I can't understand crap there. I joined NR because it was heartwarming to see AE back in another form and I missed my friends so for the purpose of having fun and chatting. I couldn't care less if teams were limited to 1 since in terms of TB I only care about my main team anyway but that's looking at it from my point of view and that's a self-centered approach.

Why do people double team? Very simple, people have lives and teams aren't always active. Mu's is pretty active, we barely TB yet get 3k messages a day, but the thing is some people love to TB, suppose our team isn't in the mood to TB like we weren't at January/February month(s). If they have another team they can play with or satisfy their needs then they can be happy on both teams as opposed to: "Man this team doesn't vanguard much anymore other team like TA seems super active and they TB 10 times a day, I wanna join them so I guess I'll leave this team!" That's stupid. People double team because teams can't always be active and if they are, not every team can be. Yes, yes, Radiant Tales is the best and we should follow their example, strive to be like them etc. but people have lives and have things like: College, Work, etc and better things then a side hobby like online Vanguard who's team battles take an hour or even longer. Point is, not every team can be active so double team makes people happy to play at different time zones and what not.

By all means go ahead and ban subbing and more then 2 teams, Go for it. That's a good step, if you guys wanna ban 2 teams I couldn't care less but at the end of the day it's all just



Big words to look smart and no result, this is a debate that'll go on until people are bored and has 0 result from it. At the end of the day you can say 20 philosophical things to look deep or write 3 essay paragraphs like Devour to sound smart but it brings no result(which I ended up doing). Although my reason to write this big paragraph was so I can just post this or else Cherry will ban me

TL;DR

Sirvat:
Im not really able to write a whole lot at the moment, but you are entirely confused if you think me and Ate started this no offence.  I agree to doing it but I don't agree with it now because of the different reasons stated above. At this point you all should be trying to come to agreement on ways in which we can change, ban,  or limit double teaming.   

Sandy:
Wow this got popular.

Let's set aside for a second, the ability to run your team however you want to. And let's focus on a few things. Firstly, time zones, as much as I'd LOVE to have everyone on my team be able to be on the same exact time I am, some are from the UK, some are from different parts of the country and so I sadly can't expect them to be on all the time, so I could see why in that case they would want to join another team whose timeline matches up more with there's. Not to mention the fact that there are various circumstances and variables we can't really factor in due to some of those being of the personal nature. I am personally okay with it, as long as they are able to A) be active and B) assure me that if the problem ever came around where one of their 'other' teams were fighting with 'my' team, that they'd choose my team unless I had someone who was able to take their spot, given prior notice, etc.

To summarize, if their leader is okay with double teaming, then it's fine. If they aren't, they should put it in their rules and run their team in 'that' way.

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