Double Teaming

[Jai Hearts]

even so this pole shows how small our community is since only 68 people out of probably hundreds of thousands signed up to this forum voted.

this shows that the main players who are on cfa almost daily weather it is fighting or just hanging out already voted and they already showed what they feel for this topic.

i say from here on we are pretty much done with this tread since probably every opinion has been giving do i do suggest keep it open for those that feel they want to still give there side as to for and or again being on one team or being on more teams.

once again i thank everyone who voted and even happier that around halve or area agree multi teaming must be stopped even more then limited and definately more then no.

now the question is, what do we do from here ?

 nothing and keep tihngs as is ?

or become the change we want ?

want change ? be change !

[[R.T] SpiderHunterMD]

You know what would be nice.... actually coming to a compromise or agreement. Yes its true, some people are 100% against double teaming (I mean I did flip my shit that time when hope decided to make two idol teams, but then again maybe that was just because I hate Love Live and similar stuff but I digress.) There are also some who are 100% for double teaming, thinking it doesn't really have an impact and we have some people in-between.

So why not make a compromise... or at least try to since from what I can see at this point its slowly devolving into a full on hate festival over here.

I mean like a simple solution is just to have most or all teams keep an up-to-date members list and then let the other teams decide if they want to act on a double teaming person and kick them out of their team if they so desire or have a hatred against double teaming. Or you could just put a limit on a number of teams a single person is allowed to join or such. (E.g like 2 maximum)

Also even if you somehow get it banned, you have a major flaw which is Implementation and Enforcement because one person cannot force or impose their ban onto another team, after all its their team not yours. And even if it gets implemented, its team leaders who will enforce and their is not going be a punishment for breaking the rule.

Just would like to note, the main part of the post, which is the last paragraph is the most important part to think about, since I bet most of those pro to the ban have not even thought up a solution to even Implement the ban on every other team then enforce it... because its practically impossible, especially considering you cannot punish anyone for breaking the rules, not even mods or admins can, since its Free Will and that is something you cannot suppress no matter how hard you try.

[Pcdroid]

@Spider

"Just would like to note, the main part of the post, which is the last paragraph is the most important part to think about, since I bet most of those pro to the ban have not even thought up a solution to even Implement the ban on every other team then enforce it... because its practically impossible, especially considering you cannot punish anyone for breaking the rules, not even mods or admins can, since its Free Will and that is something you cannot suppress no matter how hard you try"

Actually, the implementation and enforcement of than ban is much easier than you think it is, and here is one of the ways you can go for it:

1) Tying Each account to a single email to prevent people from making multiple accounts and changing names (since area actually implemented an account system a few more lines of code shouldn't be a problem).

2)Report System: A forum thread where reports of that or similar rule violations are listed, if a person violates the multi team rule, then any other number of players that were watching or playing in the team battle are free to report them.

3)Recruiting in-game people that investigate such issues: If multiple reports had been filed, the mods send one of those people to investigate the issue in secret, if the suspicions turn out to be correct then we can implement forum or in game restrictions(like sleeve reset) based on the seriousness of said rule violation.

and there you go, a system where any sort of rule can be implemented and enforced, of course doing that takes a bit of time, but solidifying a system like that is going to make things way easier to implement any sort of in game rule changes that need to be done in the future as well.

[Dhan]

Let me clarify that i've not read all the comments on this thread, so i might be repeating some things. (and i hope i am to be honest.)

I just wanna say a couple of words cause this apparently have taken inadequate proportions.

First of all lets remember that "Teaming" is a community thing people created to give CFA a sense of immersion and competition, which the game lacks by itself. Everyone is free to make a team or apply for an existing one, just need to follow the forum rules and all that stuff everyone problaby knows...

The big problem here is that people are lacking some common sense, think a little:

-If we created teams to group up with some friends and fight others. Whats the fun of fighting agaisnt our own teammates? We tested decks, discussed some plays, so that in the end he fights for another team agaisnt me?

-If someone quit my team to join another one, he cant be my friend anymore? We should never talk again? In fact, shall i hate him for leaving?

If those questions didnt sound dumb to you, stop for a moment and think, why do you have a team? Or why do you care about TB's? If you think there's nothing wrong with "double teaming", stop tbing and just ask around for 5 other people, split you all in 2 groups and do a TB, cause nowadays that's sorta whats happening. (dont think i'm talking to everyone that's on a team, i'm not stupid, i know a fair amount of you dont double team)

Now, how many people on any other game do you see double teaming? (dont point that single person in the whole universe that did that one time, we are looking at the overall)

I could ask tons logical questions here but the po-

"But Dhan, what if i have friends that are on different teams? what should i do if i wanna play with all of them at the same time?" - Random player.

First of all if you wanna have all of your friends with you, make a fucking team and invite them. If you wanna dream about your happy little world where all of your friends hold hands and play VG together, well, you don't need a team for that. In fact, the team thread shouldnt be about that, we join teams to have rivals and goals, or at least we should, otherwise its just pointless, ask to join a skype chat room and there you go.

Idk if i made myself clear, so, just to be sure:

YOU CAN STILL PLAY WITH YOUR FRIENDS EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE SAME TEAM. Shocking isnt it?

But sure, lets kill all the purpose of having teams letting people be on more than one at the same time, why not?

"Cmon Dhan, beein on 2 teams its fine, the problem is multi-teaming..." - Random player.

Nope, thats not fine cause there are no f-ing reasons to be on more than one team. Where did those moments of people trying to keep a player or people going all hyped about fighting THAT team went? (Did that ever happened tbh? i mean, it should but...)

Most important, where did the team bounds went? (you really want me to believe you are all friends with everyone in your team?....do you know everyone in your team? o.0)

Dont get me confused when i say we shall bring the competition back:

-I don't support thirsty win hunters that use meta decks just to increase win/lose ratio, you should keep playing VG with the clan you like, the way you like, but i think its more fun to do it with some friends by your side and its more interesting to have a goal to practice.

-I don't think its fine to judge a team by they win rate, thats more than pointless, especially in VG.

All i'm saying is that if you are double teaming, or if you allow people to do that on your team, you are the reason that the community is dying. Sorry, it's true. As much as people complain about "salt", that's what runs the world, for real, think about it, not that salt of bitching about a loss, but the salt of losing. Theres no sense of accomplishment and frustation on the teams nowadays. (and please, dont go all drama queen attention whore just cause you got sacked, welcome to VG, you WILL lose eventually)


Its up to everyone if they wanna keep doing this no sense stuff, or if they really wanna bring the team hype back. And dont get me wrong, double teaming is not the only problem when it comes to teams, the amount of players in a team, the TB manners and a lot other things should come in discussion. But there's no point if the team thread is just a group of people that like to do 3v3's.

Let me just end this by saying that i don't hate you for double-teaming, so don't hate me for pointing a fact.

And i'm also not asking for a revolution, even tho it would be nice, do what you like, but do it consciously.

[Pcdroid]

Let me clarify that i've not read all the comments on this thread, so i might be repeating some things. (and i hope i am to be honest.)

I just wanna say a couple of words cause this apparently have taken inadequate proportions.

First of all lets remember that "Teaming" is a community thing people created to give CFA a sense of immersion and competition, which the game lacks by itself. Everyone is free to make a team or apply for an existing one, just need to follow the forum rules and all that stuff everyone problaby knows...

The big problem here is that people are lacking some common sense, think a little:

-If we created teams to group up with some friends and fight others. Whats the fun of fighting agaisnt our own teammates? We tested decks, discussed some plays, so that in the end he fights for another team agaisnt me?

-If someone quit my team to join another one, he cant be my friend anymore? We should never talk again? In fact, shall i hate him for leaving?

If those questions didnt sound dumb to you, stop for a moment and think, why do you have a team? Or why do you care about TB's? If you think there's nothing wrong with "double teaming", stop tbing and just ask around for 5 other people, split you all in 2 groups and do a TB, cause nowadays that's sorta whats happening. (dont think i'm talking to everyone that's on a team, i'm not stupid, i know a fair amount of you dont double team)

Now, how many people on any other game do you see double teaming? (dont point that single person in the whole universe that did that one time, we are looking at the overall)

I could ask tons logical questions here but the po-

"But Dhan, what if i have friends that are on different teams? what should i do if i wanna play with all of them at the same time?" - Random player.

First of all if you wanna have all of your friends with you, make a fucking team and invite them. If you wanna dream about your happy little world where all of your friends hold hands and play VG together, well, you don't need a team for that. In fact, the team thread shouldnt be about that, we join teams to have rivals and goals, or at least we should, otherwise its just pointless, ask to join a skype chat room and there you go.

Idk if i made myself clear, so, just to be sure:

YOU CAN STILL PLAY WITH YOUR FRIENDS EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE SAME TEAM. Shocking isnt it?

But sure, lets kill all the purpose of having teams letting people be on more than one at the same time, why not?

"Cmon Dhan, beein on 2 teams its fine, the problem is multi-teaming..." - Random player.

Nope, thats not fine cause there are no f-ing reasons to be on more than one team. Where did those moments of people trying to keep a player or people going all hyped about fighting THAT team went? (Did that ever happened tbh? i mean, it should but...)

Most important, where did the team bounds went? (you really want me to believe you are all friends with everyone in your team?....do you know everyone in your team? o.0)

Dont get me confused when i say we shall bring the competition back:

-I don't support thirsty win hunters that use meta decks just to increase win/lose ratio, you should keep playing VG with the clan you like, the way you like, but i think its more fun to do it with some friends by your side and its more interesting to have a goal to practice.

-I don't think its fine to judge a team by they win rate, thats more than pointless, especially in VG.

All i'm saying is that if you are double teaming, or if you allow people to do that on your team, you are the reason that the community is dying. Sorry, it's true. As much as people complain about "salt", that's what runs the world, for real, think about it, not that salt of bitching about a loss, but the salt of losing. Theres no sense of accomplishment and frustation on the teams nowadays. (and please, dont go all drama queen attention whore just cause you got sacked, welcome to VG, you WILL lose eventually)


Its up to everyone if they wanna keep doing this no sense stuff, or if they really wanna bring the team hype back. And dont get me wrong, double teaming is not the only problem when it comes to teams, the amount of players in a team, the TB manners and a lot other things should come in discussion. But there's no point if the team thread is just a group of people that like to do 3v3's.

Let me just end this by saying that i don't hate you for double-teaming, so don't hate me for pointing a fact.

And i'm also not asking for a revolution, even tho it would be nice, do what you like, but do it consciously.

Bless you my friend for stating some undeniable truths, double/multi teaming is wrong in so many ways, thank you for posting, and read my replies to this post when you have the time. Once again props to you.

[[R.T] SpiderHunterMD]

Ryuji... Please shut up, you are not adding to the debate or "Clusterf*ck" in the slightest. I doubt you have had leader experience in the slightest (and well some people here also haven't but I digress) so if you got nothing important to add, do not post.

[Jai Hearts]

@dhan

i say the problem is more that some people are just lazy to get new members.

@ryuji

well i see allot of people that kind of said they quit area come to vote

[[R.T] SpiderHunterMD]

Ryuji... Please shut up, you are not adding to the debate or "Clusterf*ck" in the slightest. I doubt you have had leader experience in the slightest (and well some people here also haven't but I digress) so if you got nothing important to add, do not post.

Spider... Please shut up, you are not adding to the debate or "Clusterf*ck" in the slightest. I doubt you have had leader experience in the slightest (and well some people here also haven't but I digress) so if you got nothing important to add, do not post. You arent a Mod so know your place.

But I still have team leader experience so... yeah point invalid mate, also for all we know those new account being made could have voted on limiting double teaming or putting it flat out no. Also I'm a Hypocrite and have actually added important things to this debate like how do they even plan to implement the ban or enforce it

[[R.T] SpiderHunterMD]

It died about.... a year ago because I disbanded it because most of the members became inactive. So yeah, it may not have been an Area team but it was still a team non-the less, so if your just trying to poke at a dead corpse be my guest ryuji, be My guest.

[ryujiknight]

Riiiiiight... So guess your leadership wasnt the best huh :v, so like 'u' said before...Please shut up, you are not adding to the debate or "Clusterf*ck" in the slightest. I doubt you have had *Good* leader experience in the slightest (and well some people here also haven't but I digress) so if you got nothing important to add, do not post. You arent a Mod so know your place.

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[Sirvat]

I think mostly everyone here in our community has basically stated there viewpoint, and voted on this matter. As stated above its pretty much up to you all, so I will be locking this topic.