Double Teaming

[Sirvat]

@Cipher Izanagi
As stated I personally don't agree with double teaming at all but I do think us team leaders should at least limit it to 2. I'm also not trying to enforce it, I was just stating my opinion, and wanted to here other thoughts.  You can also just make a group chat if you wanna be with all your friends. Jai has also helped many new and upcoming teams find members if you think teams dying out will be a problem. I'm sure a lot other leaders wouldn't mind helping also.

@Tsuna and @Cipher Izanagi
Yes I do agree double teaming allows for growth, more ways to bond, make friends, and gain knowledge etc but it also has many negative effects. After I posted this topic multiple people have personal message me stating that double teaming has killed the community a bit, and even destroyed some of there teams because of there members being tired out from playing on another team. In some cases they even like one team better then the other and just leave the other team thus damaging/eventually destroying that team. 


As Jai stated we should recruit new players, and increase the number of people in our community. Believe it or not most people dont even know about the fourm. If Ren had not recruited me from the spawn area when I was a complete noob I would have never knew the form existed.

[Kisaragi Zane]

I don't have an issue with double teaming although I only find it acceptable if said team is inactive or is just starting out, in the event you'd like to lend a hand or your support to the team(s). I totally respect that and have done so myself numerous times in the past and has lead to successful decisions. Joining a team that's been around for months for no reason other than 'nothing else better to do' is what's killing the team system, competitively, in my personal opinion. As others have said below, being on 2 times or multiple for other non-competitive reasons like being with friends and such is fine if that's your agenda (though I'm sure that's what skype and group chats are for if you wanna hang out with people, if you wanna team battle with them then I'm sure you can sub in a TB every now and again -inb4 subbing is another issue that is going to be addressed-).

[ryujiknight]

Also i don’t think 'that' many people are even double teaming, and i agree with cipher if you don’t want your team to double team, don’t allow it, if you don’t want to fight teams who double team, don’t fight teams who double team. It isn’t fair for ALL teams to be restricted of it when some teams are ok with it, I don’t double team but I don’t see why other people shouldn't. The community is kind of just find the way it is. I’m not trying to tb the same 3-4 teams because double teaming is no longer allowed the community is already dying as it is.

Though I dont think it would be a problem if it was limited to 2.

[Jai Hearts]

mythos on the subbing thing it is basically the same since  you see someone fight everyday for a team are in the team chat sometimes set tbs for em but some people deny it which basically means subbing should stop since a team is a unit of people, you dont see sports teams share members do you ?

and mythos even now with mutli team they are complaining allot that they lack members so in the end this wont change a thing since allot of those members will still be on the same teams with there clones just dissbanded.

with all do respect considering your team needs multi team to survive i can see why you are fighting for it since you dont have allot of time for area but what is better ?

a team of people that are loyal and there for you ?

or people that go left and right and when you feel you wanna fight with em they dont feel like playing for your side ?

[Cipher Izanagi]

@Sirvat
And I completely respect your stance on it. I'm not here to bash anyone for what they believe, just to point out certain issues I see with what could happen if people decide to actually go through with this. I've heard a massive amount of rather... unpleasant things, about this community over all and have observed some of the same, to the point it makes the League of Legends community or the Call of Duty community seem like the Care Bears. I don't want that, and I really don't want a massive issue to come up altogether because community members deem what is collectively decided as their fate to be utter crap. I'm also completely in agreeance with limiting the number of teams a single person can be on. But to just one or two seems a bit... eh? It'd also be hard to actively enforce getting rid of double/multi teaming as well.

Also making a group chat on skype/discord with your friends is completely fine. Something I agree with, but it doesn't hold the same thing as being on a team with your friends. Like I said, I just don't want this to downspiral and cause so many more issues than it helps the overall community. I'm a part of this community so I do want to help out.

@Jai
I'm not fighting to keep it, I'm stating my opinions on it, and stating facts and draw backs to help you guys actually decide. Sure I don't actually care if members of my team are on others, but in the end I leave it up to them who they fight for, as well as whether or not they stay. So I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to actively make me seem like the black sheep here.

[NeoBuster]

I don't think that Double Teaming should be banned, but maybe a limitation might be good for it. Even if a person is on 2-3 teams, all of those teams wont be active 24/7. There are teams who are only active on weekends because people have school, work and other things to tend too. Also Double teaming does have its benefits like people have said above, you get that different point of view in cardfighting and most of the time you learn something new that helps you improve.

In terms of people saying "Im seeing the same people in each TB" is reason being that the same teams are always active 24/7 and those said people always sub for every TB before the TB has even begun. But subbing is a subject for another day.

[Cipher Izanagi]

@Aeon
That's not really a point of teams in my honest opinion. That's something I also didn't understand. A w/l record. Cute. That's all that seems to matter from what you just pointed out, and even if you're using an example, you're singling someone out. While you're not wrong, does the point of someone winning or losing actually matter that much in this discussion? I thought this was an issue about teams complaining about the same people over and over in team battles, not someone's win/loss record. Not trying to be a jerk, I'm just saying.

[Jai Hearts]

@ myth not what im doing but there is a difference with people who spend allot of time on area and people who dont.

mutli teaming is the easy choice for many but also the most destructive since all mutli teaming teams end up ether disbaning or take long pauses while most members fight for another team in the meanwhile.

it wouldnt be bad if it was limited between maybe two partner teams but even so i doubt if we vote on no it will stop and if we vote on limited people will just change the rules to suit em.

every team on here except fp and mine constantly keeps looking for new members keeps complaining with lack of members. only difference would be if mutli teaming stops they will all me on one team and we will have new people on area.

two teams i respect so much for standing on there own to recruit and grow are pss and ds the later of who just started and in on week recruited almost 10 members out of the blue who they are now training and growing into awesome and creative figters.

honestly i can say all the bad facts of mutli teaming but even the people on about 5 teams are complaining of lack of tbs lack of people constantly but are still voting pro. so the question is are we gonna just keep it like this or we gonna stand strand and just fill this place up with noobs and be entertained ?

choice is yours: continue the way we are, or try something crazy ?

[Magus TSS]

Thank you Sirvat.

Well ended up misclicking my vote. Oh well. Thank you Sirvat.

I agree double teaming should just end and would greatly fix a ton of problems and issues.
But I think it should be taken even further.

For one if this does happen I think team wins/loses etc records and tournament records should reset to a clean state. Especially since we are very close to entering a brand new format of the game.

Also and I don't think everyone will agree with this but I think the amount of players on each team should be limited too. Because this will makes more teams which will make more team battles possible which could make team tournaments more possible. I think the Max number of players per team should be a number around 6-12 players. I say 6-12 for max in the off chance you need to have players sub and for huge team battles because those can get fun.

[Aeon]

No, you missed the point. It wasted Zan's time. He wasn't fighting for anything but for the fact both sides needed someone.

[Cipher Izanagi]

@Aeon
My apologies, the way it was worded I misinterpreted what you intended to say.

[Aeon]

Hey NP. I am just kind of set in my old ways, we didn't multi team years ago, or rather, like Jai said, it was looked down upon.

Double/multi teaming takes away team spirit and the intimacy of team bonding and team battles.

[Sirvat]

@Magus and @Jai
I fully agree, and I would also like to implement the team ranking system, but I don't think there would any point with all this double teaming around.

Also yes DS leader did a very good Job, he was fighting different people 24/7 looking for members, and introducing them to the forum.

[Kisaragi Zane]

No, you missed the point. It wasted Zan's time. He wasn't fighting for anything but for the fact both sides needed someone.

I guess since is being brought up..., this would be a great example why double teaming is good. To be honest, it didn't waste my time, but being able to fight both teams and to help/give feedback to a team is one of the pros of it. Was it an inconvience? Maybe, (to me it wasn't because again, I didn't mind, it was fun.) but gotta learn to take lemons and make lemonade, yeah? Plus I know both teams love me.

[Cipher Izanagi]

I actually wouldn't say that. Back on CFC I was part of one of the largest teams, if not THE largest team, Divine Souls, and it was due in part to the idea of giving people a place to go for a start... and if they wanted to stay or go somewhere else they could. That resulted in Divine Souls's stand point of multi teaming being rather lax, allowing it. But we also had many people bond to others in the team and the team as a whole. It felt like a family, even with the members being on multiple teams.

I also want to state again, how would we even enforce this?

I also again want to reiterate that it's the team's policies that are at fault for any of this. The Team Leaders. And no, I'm not going to say I'm any better or worse. In fact, I've allowed multi teaming for multi members of my team to allow them to actually work with their friends.

Another thing I want to ask that's off topic, more it was mentioned in TSS's post, why put an emphasis on a team's win/loss record? What's the point of that? To see who's better? Team separation? To try and lure in more members if your win record is high?