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Double Teaming
Snosoul:
Oh how this has devolved from proper discussion....
I'll give my proper thoughts when I get home later in the afternoon but on short notice....
Hope, thank you for your thoughts and passionate speech I'll have a couple things to say when I can.
Jai, I understand your passion but you should relax a bit more on this and think your posts through just s bit more. Your emotions are running far to high. (And your grammar is murdering me my friend DX)
To others I'll mention things that I want to bring up, look forward to my lengthy post when u get the chance.
Cherry:
I'm not partaking in this discussion but I'm going to state very clearly that I'm not going to tolerate spamming stupid, useless shit in this thread. I deleted several pointless posts and you all who made them know who you are. This is a serious debate (regardless of my opinion of how asinine it is), so if you have nothing to contribute to the topic beyond "this is stupid" or a gif about nothing, DO NOT POST.
Bless.
Jai Hearts:
--- Quote from: Beryl on April 20, 2016, 11:10:36 AM ---If you were to ban double teaming at the moment, if we're to take into account the current situation, you would greatly reduce the number of teams running around, which is a double-edged sword. Sure, you prevent the problem of people being able to cover multiple spots in a team battle, but you also then force rosters of sister teams back onto the original roster, or whatever is deemed the original roster, which will greatly bloat their size and make it really hard to set up team battles of reasonable size with ease. That might seem like a bit of an odd complaint, because leaders tend to interact and call the shots on what's happening, but certain teams lacking roster caps is another thing that could easily become as much of a problem as this vaguely claims to be.
I'm not against the idea of restricting double teaming, because I can see the argument of our community being a bit more tight-knit. I don't think people should be able to claim a position on 4-5 teams that are essentially sister teams of the same team; that's caused problems in actual sports and esports before, let alone our casual system. But because this community also has a hard time reaching out to other people (I saw an argument earlier asking why we didn't reach out to people on Map 1 of Area and I laughed, really hard), it's hard to get new blood interested in this community. People also overlook the fact that, myself included, this place gets into a lot of pointless drama. If people don't want to be a part of pointless drama, why would they bother coming over here and interacting to some degree? They just want to play the game.
Essentially, I think the real problem is that you want to freshen up how team battling feels as an experience and are assuming this is the problem that holds it back, when in reality we're rather clique-y and to abolish this entirely would possibly make things even worse. If anything, what you might consider doing is trying to be creative with how team battles go. If it's competitive every time, of course it's going to get boring. Go for fun fights.
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berly you have been away for a long time from teams, but allot of the people are on the same teams, we even call some teams now sub teams because they literally have the same members just a different name and leader, from that point of view we are not losing anything other then a teams second name since those people will still be on the same team. right now we cant really say let the leaders solve the problems since you get one teams multi members which gets it in there favor. while the community themselves spoke. so far i see people like asaka who never even had an account and gone form most of area for years come on and vote because she was told vote. as for roster caps like most things we can control that but teams themselves even my members when we grow allot move on try to make there own teams or join others.
yes drama we know enough. but if allot of things change for some peoples favor cant they change for the ohers favor to especially when its a vote ?
and we try but most people have there mind set. multi team comes from those who cant keep there own teams up asking for help. it didnt used to be a big problem in the past since it was small and yes it got out of hand. but lets face it limits in one month like the rules for the drama chat will change or be completely erased. voting to limit it is almost the same as voting no since people will simple create rules to exploit or break and erase em. and those that now see that they are on the less favored side want to compromise because they are indeed fearing for there own gain. i believe that in time as i see so many people that dont even cardfight on area anymore come vote for limited it might pass yes because there is no set date for this .
but the immediate the people that are on here daily spoke and they said yes stop this yes it is a problem, and the people with multi teams agree multi and single have the same positives and if that is so then why is it a problem to remove multi and double when people agree double is more porblematic and has more problems and negatives ?
i know with the majority of people in power the dont want to bring a change here they wont stop it they will just keep arguing like a superman vs goku argument even if you lay proof down infront of em because they wont want to be in the wrong or lose and if a change is brought it will be short because like many showed there not willing to work for it and rather go the easy root even if there own past and present proofed that it isnt working.
Jai Hearts:
--- Quote from: Snosoul on April 20, 2016, 11:27:05 AM ---Oh how this has devolved from proper discussion....
I'll give my proper thoughts when I get home later in the afternoon but on short notice....
Hope, thank you for your thoughts and passionate speech I'll have a couple things to say when I can.
Jai, I understand your passion but you should relax a bit more on this and think your posts through just s bit more. Your emotions are running far to high. (And your grammar is murdering me my friend DX)
To others I'll mention things that I want to bring up, look forward to my lengthy post when u get the chance.
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yea trying to post fast since this is moving fast. but i am pretty calm dont worry.
Beryl:
--- Quote from: Jai Hearts on April 20, 2016, 11:31:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: Beryl on April 20, 2016, 11:10:36 AM ---If you were to ban double teaming at the moment, if we're to take into account the current situation, you would greatly reduce the number of teams running around, which is a double-edged sword. Sure, you prevent the problem of people being able to cover multiple spots in a team battle, but you also then force rosters of sister teams back onto the original roster, or whatever is deemed the original roster, which will greatly bloat their size and make it really hard to set up team battles of reasonable size with ease. That might seem like a bit of an odd complaint, because leaders tend to interact and call the shots on what's happening, but certain teams lacking roster caps is another thing that could easily become as much of a problem as this vaguely claims to be.
I'm not against the idea of restricting double teaming, because I can see the argument of our community being a bit more tight-knit. I don't think people should be able to claim a position on 4-5 teams that are essentially sister teams of the same team; that's caused problems in actual sports and esports before, let alone our casual system. But because this community also has a hard time reaching out to other people (I saw an argument earlier asking why we didn't reach out to people on Map 1 of Area and I laughed, really hard), it's hard to get new blood interested in this community. People also overlook the fact that, myself included, this place gets into a lot of pointless drama. If people don't want to be a part of pointless drama, why would they bother coming over here and interacting to some degree? They just want to play the game.
Essentially, I think the real problem is that you want to freshen up how team battling feels as an experience and are assuming this is the problem that holds it back, when in reality we're rather clique-y and to abolish this entirely would possibly make things even worse. If anything, what you might consider doing is trying to be creative with how team battles go. If it's competitive every time, of course it's going to get boring. Go for fun fights.
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berly you have been away for a long time from teams, but allot of the people are on the same teams, we even call some teams now sub teams because they literally have the same members just a different name and leader, from that point of view we are not losing anything other then a teams second name since those people will still be on the same team. right now we cant really say let the leaders solve the problems since you get one teams multi members which gets it in there favor. while the community themselves spoke. so far i see people like asaka who never even had an account and gone form most of area for years come on and vote because she was told vote. as for roster caps like most things we can control that but teams themselves even my members when we grow allot move on try to make there own teams or join others.
yes drama we know enough. but if allot of things change for some peoples favor cant they change for the ohers favor to especially when its a vote ?
and we try but most people have there mind set. multi team comes from those who cant keep there own teams up asking for help. it didnt used to be a big problem in the past since it was small and yes it got out of hand. but lets face it limits in one month like the rules for the drama chat will change or be completely erased. voting to limit it is almost the same as voting no since people will simple create rules to exploit or break and erase em. and those that now see that they are on the less favored side want to compromise because they are indeed fearing for there own gain. i believe that in time as i see so many people that dont even cardfight on area anymore come vote for limited it might pass yes because there is no set date for this .
but the immediate the people that are on here daily spoke and they said yes stop this yes it is a problem, and the people with multi teams agree multi and single have the same positives and if that is so then why is it a problem to remove multi and double when people agree double is more porblematic and has more problems and negatives ?
i know with the majority of people in power the dont want to bring a change here they wont stop it they will just keep arguing like a superman vs goku argument even if you lay proof down infront of em because they wont want to be in the wrong or lose and if a change is brought it will be short because like many showed there not willing to work for it and rather go the easy root even if there own past and present proofed that it isnt working.
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Mate, I was one of the first people to lose a team because I went ahead and double-teamed assuming it was fine because I watched others do it. Sirvat kicked me, and he had full right to do it, and I was fine with it because it was his choice. I then proceeded to watch that team combine with Team Asteroid's roster, along with a few other satellite teams that came up. "Sister" teams is the common terminology for this type of organization, which is why I went with it over "sub" teams. I'm fully aware of what's been going on; just because I don't post doesn't mean I don't shadow this community in a number of ways, including through friends that still interact with it to some degree.
I agree in the sentiment that people will eventually gain enough of a sense to make their own teams with people from that old team for the sake of having that team separate and being their own entity, but I haven't seen that as of late because teams keep sharing their members. It's kind of why I agree with the substitute proposal Angel made more than an outright ban, because it does let teams have fallbacks if people have other commitments, but it doesn't allow teams to straight up be subsidiaries of the same organization, because that's a load of bullshit.
It confounds me how this comes back to mods, in any shape or form. If you think, or even know, that what you guys want to do is abolish it, why does a moderator have to validate it? You can come to a silent agreement amongst leaders, or a certain group of leaders if not all agree, post the rule as a part of your team rules, and basically call it a day. Why'd we have to go through all these pages, back and forth, suddenly seeing shit like "oh well this is going to get blocked anyway when the community wants it but the mods dont." The results you have, even if they're not universally agreed on, are enough for you guys to act on your own.
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