Double Teaming

[Kazehi]

To contribute to the posts. Lulz
MoeMoe/Ciel said my opinion for me. -Slow Claps-  to each their own, no use trying to abolish free will, etc etc, insert snappy comeback point here, yadah yadah, pay attention to your peers over the hype of the small part of the 200+ community.

[Azuki Frappé]

If the majority of people agree, then what would you do, would you just kick the people who are on more than 2 teams currently or would you pressure them into making a decision between which teams to stay on? If it was from scratch I wouldn't see any problems but at this stage, most people who are on more than 2 teams would've bonded with their members so it'll be unfair to strip them of their friends from different teams because they're only restricted to join 2 teams. Not that I'm against the double teaming rule, in fact I'm for it since I'm currently only on 2 teams but if the solution were to kick members, wouldn't it be unfair for them? Also an interesting thing is if majority of the teams were to agree with the double teaming rule, then that sort of automatically solves it since for example if member A was on team X, Y and Z, if team X and Y decided to implement the rule then they would have to choose 2/3 of the teams anyways regardless if Z implements it or not. Though the problem would be if the majority doesn't agree/neutral then the member could for example be on all 5 of the teams that did not agree. Though to be honest I don't really expect there to be much change you can do at this stage so...

[NubKnightZ]

If the majority of people agree, then what would you do, would you just kick the people who are on more than 2 teams currently or would you pressure them into making a decision between which teams to stay on? If it was from scratch I wouldn't see any problems but at this stage, most people who are on more than 2 teams would've bonded with their members so it'll be unfair to strip them of their friends from different teams because they're only restricted to join 2 teams. Not that I'm against the double teaming rule, in fact I'm for it since I'm currently only on 2 teams but if the solution were to kick members, wouldn't it be unfair for them? Also an interesting thing is if majority of the teams were to agree with the double teaming rule, then that sort of automatically solves it since for example if member A was on team X, Y and Z, if team X and Y decided to implement the rule then they would have to choose 2/3 of the teams anyways regardless if Z implements it or not. Though the problem would be if the majority doesn't agree/neutral then the member could for example be on all 5 of the teams that did not agree. Though to be honest I don't really expect there to be much change you can do at this stage so...

It's why I said to limit to 2 teams you can play in. Extra teams you can probably just get permission to stay in the skype group; just not play for them. Almost the same without killing team diversity.

[Hiei]

It should be banned it's like playing for Barcelona and Real Madrid at the same damn time but i can see people already disagreeing to that and i personnally don't care, it serves no purposes and if you wanna be in multiple team just try to focus in one first, you'll find more to do than you think.

Call me Elitist, narrow minded or whatever u want but that's how i feel about multi teaming, IT'S JUST A GODDAMN GARBAGE THING  to do and to allow, in Team league u can't play for two team right? why should we here, it's like the Double Mulligan rule, garbage all the same, Vanguard states single mulligan so for me double mulligan isn't even playing vanguard anymore becauses it's the basic rules of the game.

On that i'm gone, say whatever u want, i won't answer anyway, it's not about being dictator but true to one team and your engagement for that team. I personnally played for many teams but never two at the same time at last and i'm proud of that fact.

[Winds~]

Should be banned really, or limited. I don't care if someone joined 2 teams, it's just annoying when it comes to events. If you're going to be double teaming either don't do it or actually state in your name your primary team that you will fight for.



No really, double teaming should be banned.

[Helios]

I agree with most everyone that this Multi-teaming is getting way out of hand. I think a person should only be on one team, two at max. I can understand if people want to be on two teams because a lot of the teams are diverse in many ways. But if you were to be on two teams, you need to imput time to each team equally as a fault of giving equal service leads to some bad endings. Now one of the coments really stood out to me which was said by Ryuji. He said that the community is too small and there should be no double teaming. Well my response is that if the community is small, then cut down on the number of teams in area. Its like 20% of the teams are the same team but with a different name.

Now also by the 100+ replies in about 24hrs, we can see this is a real prevalent topic to bring up. Now i am not going to read through all those replies so im sorry if i have repeated anyone else.

But back to the topic. I once had this old leader (no names) who was a very great leader. The person spent tons of time with the team and we were all very greatful. But then this leader slowly started to participate more activly in another team. And then it went downhill from there. Point is if you are the leader of the team, isnt it logical to help fortify your team and your team only and not going to completely switch to another team?

Anyway, my opinion is that a person should be limited to two teams max and needs to participate equally in both teams.

And nice job Sirvat, this topic is definitely one which needed to be discussed.

[Shadow12xr]

To be completely honest, I think double teaming should be banned. Like others before me have said, some of us don't want to be cardfighting the same people over and over again. It can be pretty repetitive at times.  I also think that if it were to be banned or limited, it would result in more teams forming which could mean more tournaments and more opportunities to get better. Also, sometimes loyalty to a team can be an issue. Let's say I am on 2 teams and they're both having a tb and I am the only person they need to team battle, it can be conflicting to choose 1 team over the other which is personally one of the reasons I don't like to double team. Overall, I just feel that it's the  team leader's decision on whether to ban double teaming or not.

[Heavens]

This wouldn't be a problem if we initiated some of the spawn noobs into our community. Personally, I will start inviting them to join the team scene

[Heavens]

It's been 30 minutes and I have already gotten two new players to start their training and become interested in joining teams. It's really not that hard.

[Jai Hearts]

i applause you heavens you dont just preach you practice.

[Spectre Diamond]

Maybe we could allow for double teaming to still exist but the players that would be double teaming in question would be act as a sort of mentor towards these new players who have recently come into the team battle scene. Sure it may not seem like a great idea at first, but it will help those in the long run on how to manage a team more appropriately. A little guidance wouldn't hurt now will it.

Another thing to consider, even if double teaming is banned, there's always subbing. Thus it would be pointless to banned double teaming as players would still play for other teams. That's why I think that striking a balance would be more appropriate. And just minimizing the amount would do us better I suppose.

[Jai Hearts]

Maybe we could allow for double teaming to still exist but the players that would be double teaming in question would be act as a sort of mentor towards these new players who have recently come into the team battle scene. Sure it may not seem like a great idea at first, but it will help those in the long run on how to manage a team more appropriately. A little guidance wouldn't hurt now will it.

Another thing to consider, even if double teaming is banned, there's always subbing. Thus it would be pointless to banned double teaming as players would still play for other teams. That's why I think that striking a balance would be more appropriate. And just minimizing the amount would do us better I suppose.

so you want the old player to double not the new ?
still i myself helped guide a few teams without being a part of there teams helping them. so your idea does sound a bit backwards to me since if you said new players should double that is more understandable.

all in all double teaming is not needed to guide a player since the best experience comes from the actions you take on your own as a leader.

subbing and mutli teaming are basically the same thing now its why in the past post we said ban all of it since we hear this or that person is not an official members but fights for the team every day even when people that are only on that team asks if they can tb they hear a no the sub came first, and even if it is banned it wont really solve the problem to completion just lessen it a whole lot, and we go for limited it would be the same as voting no since the limit can be what ever the ones that like multi teamers feels they need from 2-20000. 

all in all we asks whats better for the community ?

a, teams that go out try to bring in fresh new faces, spend a few months about 6 training em learning new things changing the meta a bit because these guys there new they change us we change em and at the end of the year we got a booming new community, maybe a few people change there names to be on more then one team but most say nah to much work, and multi teaming is looked down on.

or b, we stay at a point where mutli teams are fighting over members, the only look for membmers from other multi teams, we get a few more teams that are basically the clones of already existing clones of already existing teams, same members, different names and a different leader, who will complain certain people wont play and players who complain they are not allowed to have a chance because they are considered not winners, and mono teams are considered elitist for not allowing multi team.

side note.

i do see allot of votes to limit and allot of people speaking of bringing it down to double team but i still see almost no one actually making the change themselves, only waiting for be forced.

i do have respects for some people including heavens who as of yesterday recruited the most members i have ever seen a team recruit in one day since pss.

applause to you big guy.

you want a change peeps, you be the change you want.

[Pcdroid]

@Moe

"Big words to look smart and no result, this is a debate that'll go on until people are bored and has 0 result from it. At the end of the day you can say 20 philosophical things to look deep or write 3 essay paragraphs like Devour to sound smart but it brings no result(which I ended up doing). Although my reason to write this big paragraph was so I can just post this or else Cherry will ban me"

 That's actually the thing that needs to be addressed first before I go on with everything else. I do not believe anyone that replied in this thread,stated his arguments and opinions just to look smart. Whether or not they agree or disagree with the ban or limit of double teaming, opinions should be respected,and given the proper attention. Presenting solid arguments in very comprehensive language is not "trying to sound smart" or "saying philosophical things to look deep", you or anyone else have no right to classify solid and comprehensive arguments as "things to sound smart" or "things to look deep", that simply shows that you are not giving the community's opinion the proper respect. Also, this is a debate that does give results, as shown by both the poll results and the attention this post has, this post does have an impact to the community. Whether or not this post has results however is not up to the community only but on whether or not the mods actually notice the community's opinions and act accordingly.

"Sometimes you 'subbed' as Sirvat or sometimes you played as NTA Birth, what exactly prevents others from not doing the same? I can be in multiple teams under different names, woop good job guys nothing really changed. Multi-teaming is ridiculous sure, more then 2 teams is just overboard, limit them to 2 I agree with that. "The issue of fight same players every TB." Stems up from multi-team and subs not Double Teaming. You won't fight the same members if the members are limited to 2 teams instead of being in 5 teams."

 The subbing with 2 different names issue is simply done because of CFA's terrible account system, simply tying each account to 1 email should easily solve this issue without pretty much costing anything more than a few lines of code.
 For the multi team issue, Multi teaming and subbing is pretty much the same thing, if one goes away so should the other.
The reason I'm opposed to double teaming as well isn't only because of the "fighting the same people in every TB" issue, my main reason for being in favor of the double teaming(and subbing) ban is mainly because it's not healthy for the team system in general, as you may have noticed area's team system is not exactly optimal for new players to start, and it's easily exploitable to the point it can cause plenty of drama issues between teams, leading to a lot of teams just collapsing from drama issues. Many teams are reworked, reformed and disbanding, and part of the reason is how the multi team system works, with double team it will pretty much be the same but to a lesser extent.
 While the ban doesn't please everyone, it is actually the most optimal solution at this point in time, the team system is breaking apart as we speak and many other teams will end up collapsing if we don't do something. As moderators you have to take action, responding to the community's opinions and try to balance out the team system before it completely collapses on itself.

"Why do people double team? Very simple, people have lives and teams aren't always active. Mu's is pretty active, we barely TB yet get 3k messages a day, but the thing is some people love to TB, suppose our team isn't in the mood to TB like we weren't at January/February month(s). If they have another team they can play with or satisfy their needs then they can be happy on both teams as opposed to: "Man this team doesn't vanguard much anymore other team like TA seems super active and they TB 10 times a day, I wanna join them so I guess I'll leave this team!" That's stupid. People double team because teams can't always be active and if they are, not every team can be. Yes, yes, Radiant Tales is the best and we should follow their example, strive to be like them etc. but people have lives and have things like: College, Work, etc and better things then a side hobby like online Vanguard who's team battles take an hour or even longer. Point is, not every team can be active so double team makes people happy to play at different time zones and what not."

 I hope you are not forgetting that we are talking about the cardfight area team system here, team battles are a solid part of it, there is literally no point in making and area team if you do not open the game and play as one, if you wanna chat with your friends that's what the community chats are for, and if a team reaches the point where it is just a community chat and nothing else, then it has nothing more to give to the team system anymore. We have people in different time zones too, we have lives too, but we also strive to make our team active and fun for all it's members, we keep the roster at a certain cap, we are kicking fighters who are inactive for very long periods of time unless they tell us beforehand that they have to get inactive because of certain IRL issues, and most importantly we do not allow our members to multi team or sub.Sacrifices must be made in order for a system to work properly and the ban of double teaming is a necessary step to that, our members are not bothered in the slightest about those rules, not only that, we are actually one of the most chill and fun teams area has at the moment. My point is, the team system must, above all, be a solid and stable system that can sustain itself, and everyone can play in, it must be functional in game and avoid drama issues between teams, and for that rules are necessary, don't expect this chaotic mayhem of a team system we have now to work for too long,most people realize that now, and if you mods don't care enough to help with that then just let those who care enough help instead.

[Jai Hearts]

one thing droid did sadly miss to mention with all do respect just feel i got the words

is that there will always be drama,

yes there will be team drama members drama life drama all kinds of drama.

but even so with no more multi or double there will be less of a kind of drama and even if like i stated in the post above people change there names it will be hard work for em and as shown with certain posts on here most are not willing to putt in the work.

even so if you ban multi teaming if you go mono people will bond together not out of fear or no option but out of genuin desire to rise a strong team up, build interesting decks to keep up with there team mates. challenge teams they where told are elitists or sobs and all around they will try to communicate with others and since being on a different team means you arnt able to spend allot of time together outside of different group chats teams will again do events with one another.

because its really weird no teams but mine are doing events lately.

no seriously guys stop waiting for someone to do a tournament just shia lebuff this.

want change in area ? be the change.

[Pcdroid]

@ Jai

Yes, there will always be drama in any sort of community, however it is essential for any community system(including the area team system) to stop the drama from spreading on other teams as well, banning multi teaming will stop most drama issues from transferring to other teams and therefore reduce the overall impact the drama moment will have on the system itself.