Butler Cat & Mega Flare

[Sandy]

So basically, when this cat is out, because of a loophole with Legion, he's able to restand the vanguard, who gets a +1 crit anyways for having four of his units at rest, anywhere from two to four times in total? Allowing him to basically check anywhere from four to eight triggers in a row? Now I dunno about the rest of you, but that loop hole, seems like complete crap, a MAJOR unfair advantage. The only thing that I can think of that's a draw back, is that A) they'd have to cut back on triggers cause he's a grade 0 and B) that when he's used up the field is empty, but thanks to Legion he can be shuffled back into the deck to start the cycle all over again.

This seems majorly unfair, some would point out Miss Mist being effective, but the problem comes from the fact that at the moment OTT is kind of left to dwindle so you'll barely see anyone running them. I just don't like the fact that because of a technicality on Legion's part, this cat is allowed to boost a unit that already gets crit off the bat and the only way to seemingly counter this tactic is to kill the cat asap, which works for some clans, but other clans which do not have a retiring method are completely screwed. He can attack multiple times if he is guarded and even if he isn't guarded he's swinging for two crit and the only thing you can do then is hope he doesn't get another. Also WHEN he hits, he can just simply restand a raiser unit. All of this and not a counterblast to be spent. This, to me comes off as overly cheap and not in the good way.

[WaiterFang]

Should i ban cat butler for that in my tournament?

[Lance Korilum]

I have to agree.  I think is combo is just as, if not more, broken than Sin Buster.  Although, you are mistaken on the cut-back on triggers.  You can't cut back on triggers, since 16 is the required amount, but it does increase the amount of G0s in the deck, making riding slightly less consistent.  This combo has way too many advantages and too few drawbacks.  It's cheaper AND more powerful than Tetra, Raging Form, and Re-Birth, and even Sing Saver.  Most tournaments that allow Legion should ban Cat Butler; it's just too good with Legion Unless Bushiroad Erratas Cat Butler, or changes the ruling to make it so that only the Mate stands.

[M4tt]

I'm pretty sure once Bushiroad catches wind of this they'll add some type of limitation to cat butler. (Like only 2 can be in a deck with Mega Flare.)

[Sandy]

Well I made a statement... a lengthy one at that on their main website, so hopefully someone will see it and something good will happen, I don't mean to target NG specifically, but that card is giving them a near conroe type of advantage and that I will not stand for.

Should i ban cat butler for that in my tournament?

Hey it's your tourney, do whatever you feel is appropriate.

[Kaze Natsume]

Sandy did you really just make this a topic

[WaiterFang]

Sandy did you really just make this a topic

I dont see whats wrong with it O.O.

[HunterSerge]

No doubt that its stupid and unfair. Worse than Sin Buster, that's a bit far, as you can still use anything and everything available to you to help you stop both Mega Flare attacks.

However, anyone who thinks that Bushiroad DIDN'T intend this, or that an errata is coming any time soon, is seriously kidding themselves. They had to make the conscious decision to make this ruling.

[WaiterFang]

No doubt that its stupid and unfair. Worse than Sin Buster, that's a bit far, as you can still use anything and everything available to you to help you stop both Mega Flare attacks.

However, anyone who thinks that Bushiroad DIDN'T intend this, or that an errata is coming any time soon, is seriously kidding themselves. They had to make the conscious decision to make this ruling.

That is very true.

[Sandy]

Sandy did you really just make this a topic

Yep. It annoys me and I wanted to talk about it. Welcome to the internet, how can I help you?

[Magus TSS]

No doubt that its stupid and unfair. Worse than Sin Buster, that's a bit far, as you can still use anything and everything available to you to help you stop both Mega Flare attacks.

I dunno to be honest. I won't deny it's unfair to have a constraint crit and have a Descendant like rear guard to stand your vanguard with far easier cost. I can't agree it's worse then Sin Buster even if the Raizer is generally more consistent. Especially with DP risky mind set.

However, anyone who thinks that Bushiroad DIDN'T intend this, or that an errata is coming any time soon, is seriously kidding themselves. They had to make the conscious decision to make this ruling.

This I do agree with. Especially in a time the game is trying to grow to a new level of game play. The best that could happen is that everyone runs Raizers in the next official real life tournament and then they ban the cat entirely if it's in everyone deck. (poor Barcgal) But I seriously doubt that is going to happen.

[Siulzen]

It isn't really a loophole, but rather a clear example of how having two different grade vanguards in the vanguard circle can interact with certain effects that affect either vanguard.

If it stands one of the two, it stands both of them. That's pretty clear to me as the two vanguards are after all linked together, so if there's any effect that affects one of them it'll affect both of them barring Power gain and boosting, which is stated in the rules that you have to choose one of the two.

Another interpretation would be Warsickle, who has to choose a vanguard to stun, stunning the G3 vanguard. Even though the G2 vanguard isn't stunned, you're still unable to stand the two vanguards because one of them is stunned.

Just another interesting aspect of Legion that can be taken advantage of if they design more cards that affect a grade 2 vanguard.

So it isn't a case of the rule being stupid, but rather that Cat Butler's interaction with Legion is stupid.

[Ninja Master Z]

A simple errata on butler cat would fix this
just tack on [If you control one unit as a vanguard]

[Magus TSS]

A simple errata on butler cat would fix this
just tack on [If you control one unit as a vanguard]

Except it's not likely to happen unless they dominate the meta game in japan because if they had any intention to errata it now it would have already gotten errata'd before the ruling was revealed.

[[MK Hunter] E.T]

A simple errata on butler cat would fix this
just tack on [If you control one unit as a vanguard]

Except it's not likely to happen unless they dominate the meta game in japan because if they had any intention to errata it now it would have already gotten errata'd before the ruling was revealed.

Indeed. Also facing that Strong Restanding Critical Loop it still gives me creeps... Anyway I believe that banning it is a little extremely it would be better either Restrict Cat to 2 or Mega Flare 2 like Descentant.