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Battle area => Community => Deck Discussion => Topic started by: Beryl on March 27, 2015, 07:08:02 PM
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Grade 0 [17]:
1x Maiden of Physalis
2x Bullet Chestnet (Crit)
2x Night Queen Musketeer, Daniel (Crit)
2x Maiden of Dimorphous (Crit)
1x Gardenia Musketeer, Alan (Crit)
1x Dancing Sunflower (Draw)
1x Four Clover Fairy (Draw)
1x Maiden of Egg Plant (Draw)
1x Plenty Turnip (Draw)
1x Magnolia Knight (Draw)
2x Fairy Light Dragon (Heal)
1x Hibiscus Musketeer, Hannah (Heal)
1x Sweet Honey (Heal)
Grade 1 [14]:
4x Maiden of Passion Flower
4x Supaa Supaa
3x Cultivation Battle Maiden, Padmini
3x Maiden of Canna
Grade 2 [11]:
4x Maiden of Gladiolus
4x Maiden of Flower Screen
3x Grace Knight
Grade 3 [8]:
4x Vegetable Avatar Dragon
4x Flower Maiden of Ranunculus, Ayesha
G-Unit Lineup [8]:
4x Sacred Tree Dragon, Jingle Flower Dragon
3x Flower Princess of Spring Color, Arborea
1x Flower Princess of Spring's Beginning, Primavera
Jingle Flower Dragon + Supaa Supaa is an incredibly broken combination and I'm very sorry.
When I was told by Cherry, coming back into Vanguard, that playing Neo Nectar was going to get me involved with a Tier 1 decktype under the "normal boundaries" of a card game, I thought it was still Musketeers putting up such ridiculous options, when in reality, it's because Nectar strides are bonkers with the current rearguards available. "Finally, a way to not sit down and play Musketeers again," I said, and started brewing.
The three biggest issues going into assembling this deck were:
a) Picking a g3 besides Ayesha, since Ayesha does so much work with strides.
b) Making the g2 lineup work, considering how it's actually a bit harder to choose what to run and what not to run than I expected.
c) Picking a good starter.
Part a) and c) were priorities since they affect how the deck grinds out later on when I start getting a stride in my step (pun very much intended). Sirvat advised me, after testing a few different variations of this deck, one of which was playing the Sephirot ride chain (that one was the least successful, despite my love of Sephirot as a card), to go with Vegetable Avatar Dragon, since it's a fairly good way to tutor myself a booster to set up my columns or fill out some missing space in the front row. Problem was, I kept feeling like every time I got to Veggie, I never really had something to call off of its skill, since my rears were usually held back until the g3 turn, something I got into the habit of doing after playing against Link Joker over and over again back in the day. I decided to test Maiden of Physalis, a starter I never really considered when playing the non-Musketeer break ride deck before in BT14.
Physalis is single-handedly carrying the success of consistency in this deck. If I whiff, I don't care, I wanted to dig to set up triggers or avoid drawing rearguards that wouldn't help set me up in the first place. If I hit something, it's worth putting down unless it's a null, and even then, I might consider it.
Part b) is still a bit of an ongoing battle, as you all can no doubt tell, since I'm stuck with 3 Grace Knight in there. I know I want to play Gladiolus (she's absurd) and Flower Screen (she's also absurd, but more because of what she does for Supaa Supaa), but the last g3 has been a tossup for a while. I was playing around with Wheel Wind Dragon before, something I wouldn't mind trying again to get more use out of Primavera, but I figured for the sake of producing power columns or having an early flexible rearguard, I wanted to play with Grace Knight for a while. It hasn't let me down, per se, but I'm open to going back to Wheel Wind and get some Primavera running again.
Speaking of which, the stride lineup runs only 1 Primavera because it's good tech, but not much more than that. Most of my CBs are devoted to Ayesha/Veggie/Gladiolus, so unless I did start playing Wheel Wind again, she's not of much use to me. With that said, she has her utility; on 3 unflipped damage, I can duplicate my assembled rearguard column, which is excellent setup for Jingle Flower Dragon, aka what I always wanted Sephirot to be and so much more. <3
Arborea is irreplacable herself, though, because she's usually the first stride I go for unless I'm on 3 damage. She's good setup in addition to Ayesha, so I'm rather glad she exists.
Overall, I'd say this is where I've always wanted Neo Nectars to be, and we finally got there, over the course of nearly twenty sets.
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Hmm, i didn't consider Maiden of Physalis either, seems like a good choice i might try it later. As for the G3 have tou tried Frilldrod? I personally prefer her over Vegetable because while Vegetable is only a backup for Ayesha, Frilldrod can be used as a rear if you need. Your trigger line up is funny tho lol, i know it usually doesn't matter, but in this NN deck i think you should run as much card copies as you can, you never know when you might need to call a trigger.
And lastly have you considered running -1 Arborea and add a Blizza or Atmos?(Seriously, even in NN, this guys can actually save you sometimes).
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Hmm, i didn't consider Maiden of Physalis either, seems like a good choice i might try it later. As for the G3 have tou tried Frilldrod? I personally prefer her over Vegetable because while Vegetable is only a backup for Ayesha, Frilldrod can be used as a rear if you need. Your trigger line up is funny tho lol, i know it usually doesn't matter, but in this NN deck i think you should run as much card copies as you can, you never know when you might need to call a trigger.
And lastly have you considered running -1 Arborea and add a Blizza or Atmos?(Seriously, even in NN, this guys can actually save you sometimes).
To tackle each point mentioned:
1) Frilldrod is something I was testing around when Sirvat was giving me advice. I wanted to try it because I realized it was a much better g3 rearguard to draw and play than Veggie a lot of the time. The thing I noticed is that more often than not, I rode Ayesha and felt like discarding Frilldrod to the stride, something that really affected my judgement of the card, because as soon as I rode Ayesha, I felt like avoiding calling Frilldrod to the table. She's still a great card, but for this build, it makes a bit more sense to play Veggie because Veggie usually does something on-ride, which is pretty significant compared to someone letting your damage through.
2) You're right. It's the competitive player in me trying to make my opponent figure out how many crits and draws I'm actually playing, since each art indicates I could go so far as to play 12 Crit Nectars, when in reality I'm doing 7/5 Crit/Draw. I'll make a build using my preferred trigger cards at some point, possibly.
3) I also have not considered running Blizza or Atmos. I think I would probably play Atmos if I were to try it, it's simply preferring what Arborea threatens if you've gone for my rearguard at any point that makes me not play any of the Cray Elementals. It's the principal of what Neo Nectar does and wants to do, and Arborea helps me set up for the Jingle Flower Dragon turn(s) a lot better than Atmos does. Although, that's not enough for me to say I won't at least give it a shot at some point, now that I'm completely curious.
Thanks, Patrickzzz!
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You're welcome, i'm glad to help^^
1) I get it, Veggie is also a good backup, although i like calling Frill as a rear, in the off change i have to ride her, i really feel the pain of missing a good vanguard skill.
2) Hmm i see.
3) About that, Atmos/Blizza are end game cards in case your Jingles fail somehow or if the opponent or luck itself didn't let you set a good RG field for him. For early setup you will always prefer Arborea or Primavera, but since you will hardly use all 3 Arborea's, it's nice to have them as finisher back-ups and they work in nearly every deck, totally worth giving a try ^^
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You could play the Break Ride as your backup Grade 3, to be honest. A major issue with that though is that you have to decide which to ride first. You want to ride Ayesha and Wisteria first, and neither of them last (mostly paraphrased tips I got on Great Nature with Chatnoir/Berry). Though, combined with her GB2, Wisteria makes her more of a monster along with her handing out +5000s, it's practically a watered down version of Jingle Flower.
You ought to play 4 of Padmini. Because she's a godsend and Canna is something you don't want a surplus amount of, even to clone it.
And like stated above, consider Atmos and Blizzara. I vastly prefer Blizzara, especially here since after Jingle's huge burst turns, there's no way they're going to have enough to stop Blizzara unless they still have a Perfect Guard saved.