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Battle area => Community => Card Strategy => Topic started by: Prime Ddraig on May 11, 2014, 08:18:57 AM
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I've seen a lot of Ratio's used with decks in the time that I've played this game
My Ratio's of 0-3 (0/1/2/3) have always been 17/14/11/8 since it falls down by 3 each time, Balancing the Ratio. What Ratios do you use guys?
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Well it depends on what deck i use. Most of the time I use the same ratio as you, but for some deck I use 17/13/10/10 or even 19/12/11/8, or the slightly less weird 17/14/12/7. Some decks the ratio is so messed up I couldn't bother counting them, like my Great Daikaiser or Halcyon deck.
That's for CFA though. IRL usually I use either 17/14/11/8 or 17/14/12/7.
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The ratio differs with decks and usages, and it varied a lot trough this games "hystory".
At the beggining of it, we usually used 17-14-12-7, changing to 17-13-12-8 / 17-14-11-8 (I prefer the first one).
However, in decks like Halcyon/Glendios/Daikaizer it's pretty much 17-11-10-12 or something of that sort (can't remember how my builds vary in these builds, i remember i play 12 G3 in Glendios and G-Dai, but i run a specific core in G-Dai, but i'll post that list later.)
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The ratio differs with decks and usages, and it varied a lot trough this games "hystory".
At the beggining of it, we usually used 17-14-12-7, changing to 17-13-12-8 / 17-14-11-8 (I prefer the first one).
However, in decks like Halcyon/Glendios/Daikaizer it's pretty much 17-11-10-12 or something of that sort (can't remember how my builds vary in these builds, i remember i play 12 G3 in Glendios and G-Dai, but i run a specific core in G-Dai, but i'll post that list later.)
I run 17 Grade 3's in Glendiose mostly, but that's just me and how I use it.. The Glendiose Ratio I normally use is 17-8-8-17
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The ratio differs with decks and usages, and it varied a lot trough this games "hystory".
At the beggining of it, we usually used 17-14-12-7, changing to 17-13-12-8 / 17-14-11-8 (I prefer the first one).
However, in decks like Halcyon/Glendios/Daikaizer it's pretty much 17-11-10-12 or something of that sort (can't remember how my builds vary in these builds, i remember i play 12 G3 in Glendios and G-Dai, but i run a specific core in G-Dai, but i'll post that list later.)
For standards, I used to run 17/10/10/10 in the beginning of the history of Vanguard. Slowly, I realized that formation was breaking down since it was easy for my opponent to get rid of my rearguards around end of season 1-2 history. I had no choice but to switch to a more complex style for me which is 17/14/11/8
For a Glendios and Daikaiser deck I only run up to about ten grade 3's because that'll leave me 23 normal units left. Possibly 12 grade 1's and 11 grade 2's since I prefer to have the lower grade have slightly more each time.
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18/13/11/8
My starter is important enough that i run 2 of her
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For standards, I used to run 17/10/10/10 in the beginning of the history of Vanguard. Slowly, I realized that formation was breaking down since it was easy for my opponent to get rid of my rearguards around end of season 1-2 history. I had no choice but to switch to a more complex style for me which is 17/14/11/8
Your missing 3 cards in your 17/10/10/10 line up.
Anyway 17/14/11/8 is the recommended by Bushiroad.
For my decks it really depends on the deck. Every line up is different and some times can be weird. A general lineup for me is 17/14/12/7.
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Most of my builds go by 17/14/12/7
Though there are some different builds which require different grade ratios so those would not follow the base ratios.
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hmm, interesting, mine would always result in these 2
17/14/11/8 or 17/15/11/7
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Usually it is this two 17/14/12/7 or 17/13/11/9
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Question, Whats such an Advantage of having only 7 Grade 3's? I mean in my opinion in terms of Crossride Decks or Break Ride Decks, I'd want an equal number of Break Rides/Pre-Crossrides to match the number of Bosses.
I mean I understand if its simply to bump up Grade 2 to 12 cards but you can just mooch off a Grade 1 for that.
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Well imo, every deck should have 1 main grade 3. Aside from the main grade 3, there is the alternate grade 3 which is a vanguard to use when you don't get your main, or a break ride. There will be 4 main grade 3 and the alternate could be around 2-4.
The good part on having 7 grade 3 is that you have one less card in the deck that is useless during guarding. (Unless if you have perfect guards) Sometimes I even make decks to only have 6 grade 3s.
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Well imo, every deck should have 1 main grade 3. Aside from the main grade 3, there is the alternate grade 3 which is a vanguard to use when you don't get your main, or a break ride. There will be 4 main grade 3 and the alternate could be around 2-4.
The good part on having 7 grade 3 is that you have one less card in the deck that is useless during guarding. (Unless if you have perfect guards) Sometimes I even make decks to only have 6 grade 3s.
Understandable if you're not running breakride g3's lol. Besides that unless you're running 12 crits or no draws in general 8 grade 3's doesnt usually inferfere with u guarding lol. You should still be fine. Still dont know what decks you'd even use only 6 g3's in but cant say that's a bad thing but with cfa's shuffling system lol. wouldn't be surprised if u get glocked here and there
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Question, Whats such an Advantage of having only 7 Grade 3's? I mean in my opinion in terms of Crossride Decks or Break Ride Decks, I'd want an equal number of Break Rides/Pre-Crossrides to match the number of Bosses.
I mean I understand if its simply to bump up Grade 2 to 12 cards but you can just mooch off a Grade 1 for that.
hmmm advantange? hmm i usually run 4 break ride and 3 copy of the deck hero and 1 back up hero, usually when i play 7 i remove the backup
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Alright, so statistically, the best ratio for riding consistency is 17-13-11-9. This gives you a ~83% chance of riding up to Grade 3 by your third turn.
Now, of course, this isn't really the standard ratio, now is it? No, because its safe to just take a unit from 1 Grade and put it into another Grade. This will impact the riding consistency by an insignificant amount, by ~2% or less. This is where we get our common ratios, like 17-14-11-8 or 17-13-10-10
We also have some special cases like the BT04 Ride Chains (these are the Blaster, Amber Dragon, Blau, Enigman and Giraffa Ride Chains, for those unaware). Because of how these work, we effectively have 3 extra Grade 2s (we can't count all 4, because we need it a turn earlier than we'd need an actual Grade 2) so we can play with our Grade ratio, running things like 17-16-8-9 or 17-17-8-8 without hurting our ride consistency at all.
More recently, in the clans with these Ride Chains, we've gotten some explosive Limit Break Grade 3 checkers like Daikaiser and Immortal Asura Kaiser. In order to get the most out of these units, we need high amounts of Grade 3s, so instead of swapping Grade 2s for Grade 1s, we swap Grade 2s for Grade 3s. We start with 17-12-11-10 (a ratio done by taking the optimal ratio and making a 1 card swap between grades), take 3 of our Grade 2s and put them into Grade 3, giving us 17-12-8-13.
Finally, for the purposes of a card like Cat Butler, we can use the BT04 Ride Chains to run more Grade 0s. Start with the 17-13-11-9 ratio, we take 3 from Grade 2 to Grade 0, and then take our last 1 from Grade 3, giving us 21-13-8-8
The most recent card that lets us play with our ratios is World Line Dragon. Prior to the reveal of Cradle and pretty much all of the support, TehNACHO calculated that with a 17-13-8-12 ratio, presuming 4 copies of Glendios and 8 Reverse units, one would have ~79% ride consistency. Now, obviously, with Cradle added, the ride consistency is boosted significantly, but, to my knowledge, no one has done the calculations. However, it should be above the usual optimal ratio of 17-13-11-9, which should allow us to play with the ratio more, but considering how much good stuff Glendios has access to, I wouldn't change it much beyond going 17-14-7-12. Halcium could definitely make use of this more, considering it lacks access to Halcium, and swap some Grade 1s for more Grade 3 Reverse units.
Pretty sure that covered pretty much all of thedifferent consistent grade ratios and a bit of the math behind them. xD
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i once went with 17/14/10/9 but now i like the Standard 17/14/11/8 more
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what does a ratio means lol
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what does a ratio means lol
Here it means how many of each grade you use, ex. 17/14/11/8, 17/13/11/9, 19/12/11/8, etc.
Btw stop spamming man.
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oh so thats is ratio sorry about that i didn't know about that sorry
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13/11/9 (probability of riding smoothly is almost 83%) and 14/11/8 (around 81% but it has better booster:attacker ratio of 14:19)
Depends what I'm using.
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its just based on our luck no matter how many grade 3s i have used i wont get any of them while fighting :( when i fighted with someone i used 13 grade 3s and i didn't got any single grade 3 :(
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Well, if it's an immortal asura kaiser deck it's like 16/12/2/20
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Well, if it's an immortal asura kaiser deck it's like 16/12/2/20
Only 2 of a Grade? Wow. Hardcore
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I'm asssuming it's Blaukluger Chain, that's what most G3-heavy NG decks use.
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I'm asssuming it's Blaukluger Chain, that's what most G3-heavy NG decks use.
16 Grade 1's
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oh yeah, that's weird e.e but that was an approximate so I'd say 17/12/2/19 or something like that.
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oh yeah, that's weird e.e but that was an approximate so I'd say 17/12/2/19 or something like that.
Sorry... yeah, it's 17/12/2/19.
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usually i would use 17/14/11/8 or occasionally 17/13/11/9
but if i am using g3 checker decks like asura or daikaiser i use 17/13/10/10
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right now I'm partial to 17/14/12/7
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I tend to like a ratio of 8 g3s 11 g2s 14 g1s and then the 16 triggers and 1 starter