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Cardfight!! Vanguard => CF!!V Discussion => Topic started by: colonel830303 on September 09, 2014, 10:50:12 PM
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Clan Fight:
- A "Royal Paladin" deck may only include up to 4 "Blaster Dark".
Legion Ruling:
- For the units who has [ACT](VC): Legion 20000 or [ACT](VC): Legion 21000 skill, if they perform legion by other means, they cannot use the [Legion 20000] skill for the rest of the duel.
Source: http://cf-vanguard.com/howto/deck_0909/
RIP Sing Abyss
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I dont understand this:
"Legion Ruling:
- For the units who has [ACT](VC): Legion 20000 or [ACT](VC): Legion 21000 skill, if they perform legion by other means, they cannot use the [Legion 20000] skill for the rest of the duel"
It's refering to SSSD ruling skill?
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I dont understand this:
"Legion Ruling:
- For the units who has [ACT](VC): Legion 20000 or [ACT](VC): Legion 21000 skill, if they perform legion by other means, they cannot use the [Legion 20000] skill for the rest of the duel"
It's refering to SSSD ruling skill?
Yup and Metalborg Blackboy
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I dont understand this:
"Legion Ruling:
- For the units who has [ACT](VC): Legion 20000 or [ACT](VC): Legion 21000 skill, if they perform legion by other means, they cannot use the [Legion 20000] skill for the rest of the duel"
It's refering to SSSD ruling skill?
Yeah it's for Sing Saver lol. Can't return 4 next Main Phase after you used Sing Saver's legion skill.
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Good riddance Thing-Abyss and good riddance Thing Saver.
It took far too long for Bushi to make these rules.
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so outside Black Boy and Sing Saver, I can still reride and relegion like normal?
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Legion Ruling:
- For the units who has [ACT](VC): Legion 20000 or [ACT](VC): Legion 21000 skill, if they perform legion by other means, they cannot use the [Legion 20000] skill for the rest of the duel.
RIP Sing Abyss
I still don't get it. What do "they cannot use the [Legion 20000] skill for the rest of the duel" mean? Do you mean Relegion or what? Or it just for the same unit that were perform legion by other means?
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so basically if you use SSSD's legion skill then next turn you cannot use the act skill to perform legion and return 4 cards from drop zone
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The "once per duel" bit is confusing but it's basically saying that whatever's in the Vanguard Circle cannot "perform Legion" including returning 4 once it has. Relegioning is legal, just performing Legion while already being in Legion is not.
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Nothing against Sing Saver Abyss, but was unfair for other clans to have clan restrictions while that deck was completely legal. You add Shadow Paladin Units to a Royal Paladin Deck just to play Majesty Lord Blaster and only Blaster Dark is actually needed.
The second restriction is fine too, it was weird to "Seek Mate" when you were already in Legion.
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If your still confused:
http://bushiroad.fm/post/en/3500/Vanguard+Rule+Updates+9th+September+2014.html
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not only can we not relegion the same vanguard, but we can only legion when the opponent hasn't?
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not only can we not relegion the same vanguard, but we can only legion when the opponent hasn't?
no, if you use legion your unit must not be legioned in order to use it.
understand now ? its another requirement in addition to your opponents vg need to be a g3 to use legion.
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not only can we not relegion the same vanguard, but we can only legion when the opponent hasn't?
no, if you use legion your unit must not be legioned in order to use it.
understand now ? its another requirement in addition to your opponents vg need to be a g3 to use legion.
This is correct. To even pay the cost now you can't be in legion already. That's all this new ruling does. Legion is still once a duel per card. All it does is prevent you from performing legion when you are already in legion.
Edit: The date is also wrong. It's the 29th not the 26th.
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not only can we not relegion the same vanguard, but we can only legion when the opponent hasn't?
no, if you use legion your unit must not be legioned in order to use it.
understand now ? its another requirement in addition to your opponents vg need to be a g3 to use legion.
This is correct. To even pay the cost now you can't be in legion already. That's all this new ruling does. Legion is still once a duel per card. All it does is prevent you from performing legion when you are already in legion.
Edit: The date is also wrong. It's the 29th not the 26th.
Well that's good to know.
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was out of my mind when I posted this LOL
Update: The date has been changed
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no, if you use legion your unit must not be legioned in order to use it.
understand now ? its another requirement in addition to your opponents vg need to be a g3 to use legion.
Ah, ok. I was reading Magus's link and it confused me a little.
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Now that we have Blaster Joker, thats mean if your mate got retired by Blaster Joker, you will need to ride another unit to Legion. Even if the retired unit was Uru Buster (in this case you superior seek mate with Black Boy skill), the Legion unit cant legion back because its already loses ACT Legion 2000 when Black Boy superior legion it.
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It's not that it loses it, it's that he can't act it if u're already in legion, but if blaster joker retires the mate you can use it (if you Superiored Seek Mate)
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no you can't it seems
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Well according to what everyone has said, from what is correct is.
Clan Fight is actually a "new"/well old since its been here awhile just not too popular. The new ruling for this is that if the tourney your holding for this event is Clan Fight, you may only play 4BD in a RP deck. If the tourney is Holding a Extreme Fight/Normal Fight Clan Mixing is Okay and is not breaking any ruling. Its really just 2 different kinds of Fights each having their own ruling sorta like OCG/TCG if you wanna make that a thing.
With regards to the number of info that have been given, Superior ride Sing Saver Dragon and Blaster Joker Retire mate skill. The answer is clearly YES u are allowed to use LEGION20000 and seek the mate**IF THE MATE HAS BEEN RETIRED**. However, you are still not allowed to return 4 cards from drop**IF MATE IS NOT RETIRED**. Basically means if you alr have a MATE, you cant use the LEGION20000 skill. however, If your MATE is retired and for the particular unit that hasn used LEGION 20000 since it didn use LEGION20000 to Legion with the mate, You may use the skill to Legion a MATE.
I know that currently a lot of infomation given by bushiroad and most aren't consistent (Eg.Dr.O twitter post and now this answer.) but yea this is by far the latest info i have gotten and maybe it can finally resolve some issues.
Thanks -Access
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Well according to what everyone has said, from what is correct is.
Clan Fight is actually a "new"/well old since its been here awhile just not too popular. The new ruling for this is that if the tourney your holding for this event is Clan Fight, you may only play 4BD in a RP deck. If the tourney is Holding a Extreme Fight/Normal Fight Clan Mixing is Okay and is not breaking any ruling. Its really just 2 different kinds of Fights each having their own ruling sorta like OCG/TCG if you wanna make that a thing.
With regards to the number of info that have been given, Superior ride Sing Saver Dragon and Blaster Joker Retire mate skill. The answer is clearly YES u are allowed to use LEGION20000 and seek the mate**IF THE MATE HAS BEEN RETIRED**. However, you are still not allowed to return 4 cards from drop**IF MATE IS NOT RETIRED**. Basically means if you alr have a MATE, you cant use the LEGION20000 skill. however, If your MATE is retired and for the particular unit that hasn used LEGION 20000 since it didn use LEGION20000 to Legion with the mate, You may use the skill to Legion a MATE.
I know that currently a lot of infomation given by bushiroad and most aren't consistent (Eg.Dr.O twitter post and now this answer.) but yea this is by far the latest info i have gotten and maybe it can finally resolve some issues.
Thanks -Access
Uhh so if you legioned and ride a new g3 can you still return 4 to legion all over again -_- ? As if I got my vg deleted and just rode a new one the turn after(For an example for this situation)
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As long as the new Grade 3 hasn't Legioned since it's been in the Vanguard Circle, it can perform Legion.
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As long as the new Grade 3 hasn't Legioned since it's been in the Vanguard Circle, it can perform Legion.
Oh okay thx. Just wondering.
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As long as the new Grade 3 hasn't Legioned since it's been in the Vanguard Circle, it can perform Legion.
In a sense Yes. But the new ruling is more of. As long as the new G3 that has been in the VC has not used the skill LEGION 20000 and do not have a MATE, you can LEGION.
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As long as the new Grade 3 hasn't Legioned since it's been in the Vanguard Circle, it can perform Legion.
In a sense Yes. But the new ruling is more of. As long as the new G3 that has been in the VC has not used the skill LEGION 20000 and do not have a MATE, you can LEGION.
Well when you ride a new g3, it already has no mate lol. So wouldn't you be able to just legion again anyway?
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As long as the new Grade 3 hasn't Legioned since it's been in the Vanguard Circle, it can perform Legion.
In a sense Yes. But the new ruling is more of. As long as the new G3 that has been in the VC has not used the skill LEGION 20000 and do not have a MATE, you can LEGION.
Well when you ride a new g3, it already has no mate lol. So wouldn't you be able to just legion again anyway?
Thats very true. but yea this post is for when u LEGION via SSSD Legion skill and Blackboy.
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Thing Saver will have performed Legion itself, so...
Though, Blackboy is the one who causes the Legion for Metalborg Grade 3s, not the Grade 3s themselves, so that loop hole is closed.
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Yea I understand where yr coming from. But i think u got that impression since i kinda didn explain that well. When i mean SSSD, what i meant was the SSSD that Soul Legion. thus since its a new Unit that hasn perform LEGION20000, it can perform LEGION20000 and Legion after Blaster Joker has retired its mate. For Black Boy's case its more on the lines of. When you Legion via Black boy's skill, the G3 unit that u ride and perform LEGION is considered to not have used LEGION 20000 therefore, same ruling applies with SSSD when it Soul Legioned. since it hasn used LEGION 20000 skill, it may Legion if Blaster Joker retires its mate. thats practically what im try to say as a whole. its more along the lines of the Exception ways to LEGION and their ruling with regards to Blaster Joker's retiring skill.
Finally as a side note. The ruling for "Can I use SSSD Legion20000 skill and return 4 from drop and not seek the mate since i already Soul Legioned one? as I have not used SSSD Legion20000 skill to perform Legion" *This applies to any G3 unit that Legion via Black boy's skill. The current/latest answer for that is NO. reason being is that when yr VG has a mate, it cannot perform the LEGION20000/21000 skill according to bushiroad. However, you will still be able to use the LEGION20000/21000 if your mate has been retired as you have not used the LEGION20000/21000 skill once therefore is able to ACT it. which is kinda the example/ruling explained above.
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Yea I understand where yr coming from. But i think u got that impression since i kinda didn explain that well. When i mean SSSD, what i meant was the SSSD that Soul Legion. thus since its a new Unit that hasn perform LEGION20000, it can perform LEGION20000 and Legion after Blaster Joker has retired its mate. For Black Boy's case its more on the lines of. When you Legion via Black boy's skill, the G3 unit that u ride and perform LEGION is considered to not have used LEGION 20000 therefore, same ruling applies with SSSD when it Soul Legioned. since it hasn used LEGION 20000 skill, it may Legion if Blaster Joker retires its mate. thats practically what im try to say as a whole. its more along the lines of the Exception ways to LEGION and their ruling with regards to Blaster Joker's retiring skill.
Finally as a side note. The ruling for "Can I use SSSD Legion20000 skill and return 4 from drop and not seek the mate since i already Soul Legioned one? as I have not used SSSD Legion20000 skill to perform Legion" *This applies to any G3 unit that Legion via Black boy's skill. The current/latest answer for that is NO. reason being is that when yr VG has a mate, it cannot perform the LEGION20000/21000 skill according to bushiroad. However, you will still be able to use the LEGION20000/21000 if your mate has been retired as you have not used the LEGION20000/21000 skill once therefore is able to ACT it. which is kinda the example/ruling explained above.
Well at least you can still use Blackboy/Sing Saver's Legion Skill (Even though you can't return 4 during the main phase after you used those skills).
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Regardless the ruling has also being confirmed for Enligsh as well.
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Regardless the ruling has also being confirmed for Enligsh as well.
Oh this be confirmed at some point but mind linking to where you found this for english?
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We;ll the ruling thing is on the English website of the Bushiroad Fourms.
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Okay so tell me this , the rule says we can't legion with an unit that's already in legion (SSSD) and we can't legion when we have only a mate in the VG but not the G3 (BlackBoy Skill) , or is there anything else too ?
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So we just received some Information from Bushiroad yea!!! more like "Make up your mind Bushiroad Please :("(https://scontent-a-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/995654_10203009228369579_881000091426434587_n.jpg?oh=bd64708eaae7106f23c1be6fa5db16a9&oe=54D0BDE0)
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So, basically they used their power to change the rullings to favour up the evil that never should have been born. Nice one Bushi. What is next?. I cannot attack with my vanguard because my opponent is/or not in Legion?
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Well you can still just ride a new Sing Savor on ride phase and legion that way if you really need to.
We;ll the ruling thing is on the English website of the Bushiroad Fourms.
Ok while I do agree that it did not directly state it was only for japan. They only linked to the Japan website where the ruling is posted and never said if it would be added for english as well.
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Well, when Bushi applies a certain rulling in Japan, they usually apply it when a certain set/eb or anyhting related is released. The same rulling is viable for English when that exact set comes in place but since English is catching fast with Japan, well, the same will apply again.
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We;ll the ruling thing is on the English website of the Bushiroad Fourms.
Ok while I do agree that it did not directly state it was only for japan. They only linked to the Japan website where the ruling is posted and never said if it would be added for english as well.
Why on earth wouldn't they add it to the English rulings? They're doing this to stop Thing-Abyss from rampaging in the English meta.
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since Lord is disappearing mix Clans will be forbidden in the rule book now probably (except MLB or glendios)
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So we just received some Information from Bushiroad yea!!! more like "Make up your mind Bushiroad Please :("(https://scontent-a-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/995654_10203009228369579_881000091426434587_n.jpg?oh=bd64708eaae7106f23c1be6fa5db16a9&oe=54D0BDE0)
This was confermed as of today's Card of the day for Blaster Joker. First post needs updating.