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Title: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: Sandy on January 19, 2015, 09:16:02 AM: (http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150119112947/cardfight/images/thumb/4/4c/B7tS-XGCIAAL59G.jpg/400px-B7tS-XGCIAAL59G.jpg)

Basically, from what others have translated, Calamity Tower is restricted to 2, starting 14th of Feb. Commander Laurel limited to 1, starting 2nd of Mar. Neko is still limited to 2 and Conroe and Barcgal still banned. Also there's a discussion on whether to limit The X and STSD currently going on.

I personally love the fact that Laurel is getting hit, especially with that EB coming out eventually for DP.
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: Cherry on January 19, 2015, 09:18:23 AM: GOOD GODDAMN RIDDANCE

Even 1 is too good for him. God.

Now limit The X and Thing Saver to 2.
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: Magus TSS on January 19, 2015, 10:00:46 AM: http://cf-vanguard.com/howto/fighters_rule/
^ Officially updated.
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: Ren «Я» on January 20, 2015, 12:16:32 AM: lol why would they even limit Calamity Tower I'll never know xD
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: colonel830303 on January 20, 2015, 12:37:42 AM: Quote from: Ren «Я» on January 20, 2015, 12:16:32 AM
lol why would they even limit Calamity Tower I'll never know xD

cuz the legion loophole created by Overlord & Calamity's sb is stronk
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: Ren «Я» on January 20, 2015, 01:28:28 AM: Quote from: Zeon on January 20, 2015, 12:37:42 AM
Quote from: Ren «Я» on January 20, 2015, 12:16:32 AM
lol why would they even limit Calamity Tower I'll never know xD

cuz the legion loophole created by Overlord & Calamity's sb is stronk
lol Inb4 Gron, Anna , Burnout, etc. Many ways to do it xD
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: [T-SP] Access on January 20, 2015, 06:15:34 AM: CTW
reasons why they banned CTW is cos if DOTX was limited to 2 it would be a bit devastating to the deck itself cos for 1) it can either only discard himself to retire Once or Legion again which would then nvr be able to use his skill of cos u could keep Sb that 1 dotx out but yea abit hard to do without using too much resources. The only reason CTW is banned and no DOTX is that they want to keep DOTX in the game and not want to shut it down cos for 1 its not a broken legion its the same as any legion. the only problem is the ability to recycle the legion using CTW which is to send back a net of 2 triggers filling the deck with triggers per turn which is actually pretty darn good if every legion could do that.(GN can sort of achieve that just that they return normal units to the bot as well so there is that downside.) frankly right the ban is just to see if its actually CTW aka SB2 cards are the main key in the deck cos players run CTW compared to grom cos CTW gets u draws which u can draw into Personal or get PG which is a very gd profit. So basically as time flies, when DOTX is being used with 2 CTW and 2 Grom, Bushi will ban Dotx to max 3 hopefully cos it would just kill the deck pretty hard. maybe if they limited dote to 2 again thats not too bad.
Also on a side note CWT is not only gd to DOTX but gd for all kinds of Kagero legion decks or legion decks in general so yea or so ive heard.

SSSD need i say more... bushiroad definitely did not have the intention of allowing this card to restand 3 times/game(probably due to forgetting to word it in or they think its abit hard to pull off so they just threw it in). also im pretty drag against if they ban sssd to 2 per deck cos its gonna die once a sssd hits yr hand(need to get rid) or dmg(GG or heal). so at best 3 as well.
*Dun call me on SSSD i dun use him soo often and dun rekt with him so yea my personal opinion on this one*

Laurel one of my favourite units since stride came out. (Cray elemental)
1) basic combo with this guy if you guys haven found out yet
True daikaiser deck. play 10 g3. ride daikaiser keep striding and have laruel there to stand(attack RG) aka filter deck to about 7 or less BR true daikaiser and then legion back 4 g3 in yr drop used for stride. opp cannot guard the attack unless he has 3 to 4 PG as per g3 its retire 2 guardian cards.
2) With the addition of dark superman Omega(stride unit) laurel can be abused pretty bad and thats why another reason why reverse daiyusha had to lock 2 units or it would too have the same broken problem as it can use laurel to stand

Cat.
Bushiroad have found out that across the nation and VG playing areas, cats have been abused alot and have received countless emails and complains from animal departments to prevent this abuse. #SAVE THE CATS. thats why bushiroad is banning CAT cos they may go extinct if they are abused like that soo often.

my suggestion? play Glory maelstrom plus GB crit trigger while u can cos Glory is going to be banned to 2 or 1 in the next upcoming metas.
any who, pls go and vote for your best clan of the season/update in CFA its in the discussion area of the Forum pls do vote. voters have 5 clans to pick from. :) thank you
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: LimitSeeker on January 20, 2015, 05:22:27 PM: So when I am busy playing Pokemon (beat Delta Episode with level 50ish party,now preparing for breed and bike) they suspect test Thing?ok I admit no one able to survive Thing Triple Restand in endgame,is All or nothing.Cutting it to 3 will cause him to fall and 2 will cause Thing to rot in corner.I like to use him because,you know because Royal's fire power is G2 now while my opponent busy crushing my formation easily (narukami and kagero have more range now) so I need a non RG oriented card and this card doesn't suffer small RG ,if they limit him please just be 3 . DOTX.....his existence annoyed my Royal ,attacking front row to stand is bad enough,but able to retire 2 unit (iirc) is making it too powerful.Calamity is staple clone in kagero,it can recycle card ,prepare drop,and draw.Works really well with legion.For laurel...I feel sorry,1 is to deppresing number for limited card (I still hate 6 drive check)
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: Cherry on January 20, 2015, 06:24:18 PM: Putting Thing to 3 doesn't fix the problem. Putting it to 2 still gives you a backup win condition extra swing like how Descendant was repurposed at 2.

It's the fact that Kagero and Narukami have more range is why Royals should be sticking to what they do. If they run out of rearguards, their solution shouldn't be "work out of theme". It should be call more units, which is their theme. They don't need a non-RG orientated card, they need stronger RG orientated cards, and faster and less costly field generators, or Resist.

Also,
@Access

I can tell you with 100% certainty Glory Maelstrom will never be restricted/banned because Ultimate Breaks are still subpar unless it's Platina or Omega. The Critical Trigger's skill is really good, but by no means is it even remotely gamebreaking.
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: LimitSeeker on January 21, 2015, 02:12:24 AM: Hahaha!You are correct,Royal doesn't run,but show em that they ignored the retire by calling more.If Thing become 2,is useless...nobody will use it,come on,2 CB 2 SB and Discard 2 is hefty price for ONE restand,how about just add [ Once Per Turn] so Thing doesn't abuse restand?
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: Just on January 21, 2015, 03:12:46 AM: My thoughts on DOTX possible limiting.
-DOTX being limited to 3, in my honest opinion, is still too lenient. This card has no downfall or ways to counter it. If you guard it, you're going to get 2 cards retired for CB 1 (really cheap). Additionally, it has an amazing amount of pressure that basically forces you to guard it, because if you don't, it's most likely going to stand again. That's not all though. In contrast to the other re-standing legions, this card only loses 2 CB and 1 persona blast DOTE from hand to stand again; and unlike the Shadow Paladin and Royal Paladin re-standers where you usually let the first attack hit and guard the next one, allowing DOTX to stand again and guarding the second hit could potentially welcome a double retire as well. Which, being that when DOTX legions you get to choose which card to get from deck to hand (DOTX or DOTE), you can easily grab a DOTE if you know your opponent has low hand or contains no PGs, or obtain a DOTX to scare the opponent in to forcibly guarding in fear of DOTE being drive checked or already in hand. Additionally, in case your vanguard does hit and you don't have a DOTE, or your vanguard doesn't hit and you don't have DOTX, you still have a free Stride pay-off card for next turn. Lastly, because the counterblasts are relatively cheap and can easily be unflipped with the new Perfect Guards, counterblasting is not much of an issue for this type of deck at all. Calamity Tower Wyvern and Dragonic Burnout are staple cards that further compliment the deck by the use of Soulblast to obtain advantages, instead of denying the main DOTX/DOTE from their Counterblasts to force these players to actually have to re-think their options.
Having it limited to 2 would at least give the opponent breathing room to know that the DOTX user can be blocked without much worry of having to give up about 5 cards just to assure safety.
> However: With the addition of the new cards this update and possible future upcoming cards that will be released soon(ish), DOTX staying unlimited is also something to be considered, being as how the update brought Aqua Force to an insane level, and it's possible other clans that obtain their support could rival DOTX and therefore make it an equal fight. (I am aware Bushiroad would still have to wait for these releases to make a judgment, though, and by the time that comes DOTX and Sing Saver's insane amount of topping will continue until then)

My thoughts on Thing Saver possibly limitation:
- I really do have to agree with Cherry on the reasoning that Thing Saver can rely solely on itself instead of being supported/supportive by/of rearguards (which is the theme of both RP and GP) in order to bring a victory. It doesn't fit with the theme of the clan, and it possesses no actual drawbacks. Giving up 2 cards for 2 cards you're about to get from your drive checks is nothing at all. You don't minus from it. The possible double extra re-stand that the card possesses is also quite ridiculous. Dragonic Overlord The Reverse had to give up his whole field in order to stand two more times, and that is only if it has been break rode on DO. Thing Saver though, doesn't give up any of the rearguard pressure, and can easily be done if a legion card was rode before it and one margal or Sharon was used. (The latter is obv. not used a lot, but if a player is dedicated to a double re-stand, I wouldn't be surprised if this card was played)
-Bringing this unit down to 2 would be quite devastating I agree, but it would at least make this card a Last Resort type for Royal Paladin, so that they may focus on their field control instead, and if that ends up failing they can do one last final push with Thing Saver (which would fit the idea of a Savior Dragon).
-3 won't change the issue at all, I feel.
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: Cherry on January 21, 2015, 04:16:14 AM: Quote from: LimitSeeker on January 21, 2015, 02:12:24 AM
Hahaha!You are correct,Royal doesn't run,but show em that they ignored the retire by calling more.If Thing become 2,is useless...nobody will use it,come on,2 CB 2 SB and Discard 2 is hefty price for ONE restand,how about just add [ Once Per Turn] so Thing doesn't abuse restand?

Once per turn clause would actually make it pretty tame actually.
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: Lequier on January 21, 2015, 11:44:29 AM: Quote from: Cherry on January 21, 2015, 04:16:14 AM
Once per turn clause would actually make it pretty tame actually.

An OPT turn still causes it to become a case of being a much more stable Phantom Blaster Revenger, which is still a ridiculous card.

DOTX/DOTE and Thing Saver need to go to 2. DOTX needs to be able to go to 2 to make it so that the DOTX Persona Blast becomes a huge commitment, although this move does not stop the deck from being stupidly good still. The only way they can truly stop DOTX from being good is by actually hitting DOTE, which would make the deck slip through the cracks imho. I can't see them hitting DOTE at the end of the day though, due to it being such an oldie more than anything that they'll think the problem is DOTX.

Thing Saver is always going to be a ridiculous card due to it's requirements being practically non-existent in any deck that wants to play Thing Saver. Putting it down to 2 is the only way to stop a card like this without completely destroying it, since the restanding ability becomes once per game unless you want to jump through A LOT of hoops. Not touching it would be a mistake though, since a card like Thing Saver is utterly toxic for the game so long as Royal Paladin continues to exist.

Onto the actual hits...

Tower Calamity Wyvern being hit, even as a preliminary, seems like an incredibly stupid idea. I understand why they had to do something like this, but why they would choose to hit it over something that actually posed to be a problem is completely beyond my comprehension. The card's completely fine and should be allowed back at 4, it's not his fault that one of the Overlords should have taken the fall for him.

Laurel's one that we're all completely unanimous on being completely fine with, I'd say. Don't think there's much reason to explain why one of the most toxic things in the cardpool being axed is a good thing.

There is another reason why I really wanted to make a post regarding this, which is mainly to comment on Bushi's announcement on potentially limiting DOTX and Thing Saver. I don't know if any of you follow JCG trends or anything like that, but a lot of people are actually feeling too intimidated to play DOTX and Thing Saver now due to the fact that they're being hit. This is leading to a really weird situation in the second-hand market, since everyone seems to want to be getting rid of their stuff that MIGHT possibly get hit. Obviously no-one's really going to buy it, but it feels as if the announcement of them being tested might actually put people off enough that the deck's will simmer down a lot. This is something that I will admit to not being a huge fan of, as nothing has really happened to the respective decks yet they are going to see less tournament play than they would have prior. tl;dr on that I dislike the fact that Bushi is making people too scared to pick up a deck because they're threatening to hit it otherwise.
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: Sandy on January 22, 2015, 11:51:15 AM: Laurel and the cat, why is it most of the REAL restricted cards are coming from star gate? That nation is full of op cheapness apparently, lol.

I'm happy, that he's getting knocked down a peg, too many people already trying to abuse the whole superman combo, which makes me wish that the staff held DP's strides back until 'after' the list goes into effect.
Title: Re: Updated JPN Restricted/Banned List (Feb-March)
Post by: Lucius on January 22, 2015, 01:37:11 PM: little Kids like Aliens and find Robots cool thx to all the Action figures. so since CV is for children, they give them what they want.