Beryl vs Ren

Beryl wins 2-1.

gg's tho ren game 2 was tight~

IGN: Beryl
Clan: Megacolony
Discord: Beryl#4605

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Quote from: Beryl on April 20, 2016, 11:10:36 AM

If you were to ban double teaming at the moment, if we're to take into account the current situation, you would greatly reduce the number of teams running around, which is a double-edged sword. Sure, you prevent the problem of people being able to cover multiple spots in a team battle, but you also then force rosters of sister teams back onto the original roster, or whatever is deemed the original roster, which will greatly bloat their size and make it really hard to set up team battles of reasonable size with ease. That might seem like a bit of an odd complaint, because leaders tend to interact and call the shots on what's happening, but certain teams lacking roster caps is another thing that could easily become as much of a problem as this vaguely claims to be.

I'm not against the idea of restricting double teaming, because I can see the argument of our community being a bit more tight-knit. I don't think people should be able to claim a position on 4-5 teams that are essentially sister teams of the same team; that's caused problems in actual sports and esports before, let alone our casual system. But because this community also has a hard time reaching out to other people (I saw an argument earlier asking why we didn't reach out to people on Map 1 of Area and I laughed, really hard), it's hard to get new blood interested in this community. People also overlook the fact that, myself included, this place gets into a lot of pointless drama. If people don't want to be a part of pointless drama, why would they bother coming over here and interacting to some degree? They just want to play the game.

Essentially, I think the real problem is that you want to freshen up how team battling feels as an experience and are assuming this is the problem that holds it back, when in reality we're rather clique-y and to abolish this entirely would possibly make things even worse. If anything, what you might consider doing is trying to be creative with how team battles go. If it's competitive every time, of course it's going to get boring. Go for fun fights.

berly you have been away for a long time from teams, but allot of the people are on the same teams, we even call some teams now sub teams because they literally have the same members just a different name and leader, from that point of view we are not losing anything other then a teams second name since those people will still be on the same team. right now we cant really say let the leaders solve the problems since you get one teams multi members which gets it in there favor. while the community themselves spoke. so far i see people like asaka who never even had an account and gone form most of area for years come on and vote because she was told vote. as for roster caps like most things we can control that but teams themselves even my members when we grow allot move on try to make there own teams or join others.

yes drama we know enough. but if allot of things change for some peoples favor cant they change for the ohers favor to especially when its a vote ?

and we try but most people have there mind set. multi team comes from those who cant keep there own teams up asking for help. it didnt used to be a big problem in the past since it was small and yes it got out of hand. but lets face it limits in one month like the rules for the drama chat will change or be completely erased. voting to limit it is almost the same as voting no since people will simple create rules to exploit or break and erase em. and those that now see that they are on the less favored side want to compromise because they are indeed fearing for there own gain. i believe that in time as i see so many people that dont even cardfight on area anymore come vote for limited it might pass yes because there is no set date for this .

but the immediate the people that are on here daily spoke and they said yes stop this yes it is a problem, and the people with multi teams agree multi and single have the same positives and if that is so then why is it a problem to remove multi and double when people agree double is more porblematic  and has more problems and negatives ?

i know with the majority of people in power the dont want to bring a change here they wont stop it they will just keep arguing like a superman vs goku argument even if you lay proof down infront of em because they wont want to be in the wrong or lose and if a change is brought it will be short because like many showed there not willing to work for it and rather go the easy root even if there own past and present proofed that it isnt working.

Mate, I was one of the first people to lose a team because I went ahead and double-teamed assuming it was fine because I watched others do it. Sirvat kicked me, and he had full right to do it, and I was fine with it because it was his choice. I then proceeded to watch that team combine with Team Asteroid's roster, along with a few other satellite teams that came up. "Sister" teams is the common terminology for this type of organization, which is why I went with it over "sub" teams. I'm fully aware of what's been going on; just because I don't post doesn't mean I don't shadow this community in a number of ways, including through friends that still interact with it to some degree.

I agree in the sentiment that people will eventually gain enough of a sense to make their own teams with people from that old team for the sake of having that team separate and being their own entity, but I haven't seen that as of late because teams keep sharing their members. It's kind of why I agree with the substitute proposal Angel made more than an outright ban, because it does let teams have fallbacks if people have other commitments, but it doesn't allow teams to straight up be subsidiaries of the same organization, because that's a load of bullshit.

It confounds me how this comes back to mods, in any shape or form. If you think, or even know, that what you guys want to do is abolish it, why does a moderator have to validate it? You can come to a silent agreement amongst leaders, or a certain group of leaders if not all agree, post the rule as a part of your team rules, and basically call it a day. Why'd we have to go through all these pages, back and forth, suddenly seeing shit like "oh well this is going to get blocked anyway when the community wants it but the mods dont." The results you have, even if they're not universally agreed on, are enough for you guys to act on your own.

Haku was just on the cusp of going to look for this boy that had wandered off, when Satoshi called him over. "Hey, I may as well introduce you since these guys likely don't know who you are, right?" His boss grinned at him with a face he had not seen in a long time. The large, stern Hawaiian stared at him for a brief moment, then nodded shortly and lumbered over.

Satoshi gestured to his overseer. "Everyone, this is Haku. I can easily say that over the course of a year, he and I have done a lot together." He nodded to himself. "Yep, when I aimed to take a break and find myself, I wanted to go somewhere a bit more remote, but not stay in the same places as before. So I was recommended an excursion to Hawaii." He shrugged, chuckling. "Kind of weird to be told about a summer vacation spot as a distant location, but when I met Haku and his tribe, I could easily say that the Hawaiian islands have their fair share of places that aren't so inhabited."

Haku nodded. "Smaller islands're less traveled. We make our villages there. Very peaceful, very bountiful."

Satoshi smiled. "It was that kind of attitude that really got me involved in learning their way of life. All of 'em were doing their own style of farming with pineapples, something I never worked with back in Japan, so we were able to exchange tricks of the trade and also got on the subject of living life." He shrugged again. "Turns out these guys're Buddhist because of the simplicity of it all."

Once again, the enormous islander nodded. "We do just to do. Such is a good teaching." Upon stating this, something clicked in his head, and he then gestured a hand to the farmboy. "Perhaps you should think of this Cheru of yours in this framework."

Satoshi raised an eyebrow. "Cheru, in the Buddhist framework?...How so?"

Haku cleared his throat and pulled a coin from his pocket, and proceeded to give the longest explanation his boss had ever heard him speak in the year he's known him:

"Consider this coin. This coin has two sides. We say that many things have two sides: day and night, life and death, good and evil...but all come from the same association. Day and night in time, life and death in existence, good and evil in world." He pointed the coin at Satoshi's nose. "What is to say this Cheru is not one side of your life's coin? You are one, she is the other, but both are not necessarily distinct or separate from one another. Remember: not one, but both." He turned to the group as a whole. "Such practice leads to extract worry from one's life. If you are making something separate from yourself, it is to say you are trying to remove yourself from the world as a separate entity, when you are a being that in fact lives and embraces your surroundings daily."

He stepped to Yugure and gazed down. "This, too, could be said of this other side of yours, Spring Blade." He didn't exactly know her actual name; when Nebula Lordified Satoshi had given him his directions, he was to memorize faces, not names. So Spring Blade would have to do. "It is not to say you cannot live your life as the one you believe yourself so strongly to be. But to reject your other self is to prevent yourself from being whole." He put a strong hand on her shoulder, which made his boss cringe a little because he was expecting a harsh response, but to his surprise, his overseer then gave a gentle smile, something not befitting of his typical stern, quiet nature. "Your friends know you as all parts of you, and they love and cherish all of those parts. There are two halves of your life, but to claim one has died would be a disservice to your human existence in this large world." A light pat. "Whether you choose to observe this or not is up to you, however. Simply do as you will. That is the long, but pleasant way to what we believe is enlightenment."

He stepped to Noel, Darren and Xat and nodded to the three of them. "You all as well. The shortcomings of your past, the bad decisions you may believe you have made...yes, perhaps they were without thinking, or they did not deserve forgiveness. But you did as you did. And you learned to do otherwise. That is, in itself, righting a wrong, but it is how you yourself take it upon you that matters. Fix to fix, live to live. Fight to fight. Whatever it is you must do."

He walked back to Satoshi and nodded again. "Apologies. Needed to be said." The farmboy simply stared back in awe at his foreign friend's wisdom. Whether it would have an effect on the group as a whole would be entirely subjective, but...yes, that was a crash course on what he learned over a year. So if he was right, that likely meant...

He nodded, and gave Haku a pat on his back, smiling. "You might just be right, big guy."

Turning his attention back to the room, Satoshi gave a bit more of a stern look of his own and smacked his fist into his hand. "Right. Let's get Seifer. There's a bit more cleanup left to do with the Star-vaders, but as far as I can recall, you guys are starting to hit the homestretch. Let's not let anything stop us now."

Satoshi decided to ignore Xat, since he had received word, through his surveillance earpiece, that she had been messing with his stuff in his office. He'd deal with her later.

"To label us all is to misunderstand. After all, that would imply that our group is hiveminded and lacks individual thought." He smirked. "I discovered the being I was bonded to in order to enact my protocol, Cheru, is quite the opposite. Some Star-vaders wish we did not come off as heartless. But, unfortunately, those ones are not in charge, nor do they have the chance to be as long as we exist."

He closed his eyes for a moment, and reopened them to be unmarked. The real Satoshi had something to add, if just briefly.

"We had dinner once, and you gave me the cold shoulder like interacting with one of my closest friends was pointless. I just wanted to be able to do something with you guys again since I was back, but it was all 'mission' this and 'training' that." He shook his head. "I feel like I don't even know the Snow Flower and Blazing Sun anymore. That they're just distant memories who want nothing more to do with me. That's why..."

The eyes remarked themselves as Nebula Lord took over. "That's why, in the end, it was easy to take him over. His suffering and despair is the most pure I've felt in a long time. Someone who feels like he's failed the world and can't recover...the perfect suicidal vassal to kill off if he fails, don't you think?"

He raised his marked fist again, rings glowing. The room around them began to distort into a spacial void. "So we may as well make this quick, should we not?"