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[[ER] Patrickzzz]

So basically, my "new-character hypothesis" was correct. How do I feel about this, I don't even..

I'm tremendously bothered by the look of the new protagonists. All I see isa Takuto-Leon love child, some Buddyfight/YGO hair guy and Yuma's chick from Zexal. God, can't you give Ren one season.
Jokes aside, the Stride mechanic isn't far off from what I expected (since there was no way we'd get more triggers, bleh), and the G-Assist mechanic is a gradelock prevention mechanic, that I'm sure of. However, Gear Chronicle? Why didn't you just name the 5th season "Cardfiht!! Vanguard Totally-not-Zexal-wannabe"? I'm not a fan of the characters, which is pretty much obvious by now, but the card art I've seen for S5 is amazing, at least. The TD idea isn't bad either, since, this was originally a cheap alternative to YGO for a lot of players, and now we're getting back to that by giving us Sentinels. The question that bothers me is: If we're getting Sentinels and 2 copies of the cover card, with G-units being present in the BT's, what else are we getting here that's gonna be mindblowingly expensive and hard to get?
I can just pray to the based, uh, Messiah (?) that this doesn't turn out to be a Buddy-xal.

Hopefully, this doesnt mean the turn down of the game. I doesn't sense any interesting in the new protagonists. They should keep the old characters' art. More mature and cooler. Gaillard n ibuki was good. but not these three.

I kinda feel the same the art style is too zexal-ish to me. But at least as far as the card game goes things seen to be going well.

[Doryan]

I'm just surprised on how much they revealed, as for the show itself they have gotten new directors it seems so yeah...

[AloisTrancy]

How about, we like, wait until the season actually has had a few episodes
before we, I don't know, judge it??

Like???
What is with people and bashing something before it's even released. I don't get it.

[Lucius]

How about, we like, wait until the season actually has had a few episodes
before we, I don't know, judge it??

Like???
What is with people and bashing something before it's even released. I don't get it.

because we wanna be prepared for the worst if the new Anime really is a downer... heck if they add some Kind of cardfight School in this Anime we can just Name it Cardfight!!Vanguard GX.

[AloisTrancy]

Jesus fuck, no offense, but that's a dumb reason.
This is the same problem with people hating ZeXal
or hating GX
or hating 5D's
People do this all the time, and they're almost always fucking wrong.
Wait for the season to start.
Wait for it to get a few episodes in.
Give. It. Time.
Don't Judge until we've truly seen what it's going to be like

We have a new head director, who just so happens to be the same person who created some of the best parts of Season One.
Remember episode 23, when Ren first showed up? That was her.
Remember the first full fight between Kai and Ren, with the End's reveal and PBO's right after? Also her.
Remember Misaki's triumph over Asaka and the birth of Tsukuyomi's card stack? This was her as well.

Our new director looks promising. We've thrown out the old worn cast for the most part and introduced a new one, which has promise. A new clan and a new skill, things are looking up. I wouldn't be surprised if, for the first time since this anime started, we had a season better than season one.

Give it a chance before you decide to bash it.

[Sandy]

The only thing I shall say upon this, is that I hope that the new RP's aren't going to be Seekers, because if it's a new archetype, that means there'll be new archetypes (eventually) everywhere else, which I'd be happy to see. Also, wouldn't the above conversation/debate fit better in an anime discussion instead of a discussion about trial decks?

[[ER] Patrickzzz]

Jesus fuck, no offense, but that's a dumb reason.
This is the same problem with people hating ZeXal
or hating GX
or hating 5D's
People do this all the time, and they're almost always fucking wrong.
Wait for the season to start.
Wait for it to get a few episodes in.
Give. It. Time.
Don't Judge until we've truly seen what it's going to be like

We have a new head director, who just so happens to be the same person who created some of the best parts of Season One.
Remember episode 23, when Ren first showed up? That was her.
Remember the first full fight between Kai and Ren, with the End's reveal and PBO's right after? Also her.
Remember Misaki's triumph over Asaka and the birth of Tsukuyomi's card stack? This was her as well.

Our new director looks promising. We've thrown out the old worn cast for the most part and introduced a new one, which has promise. A new clan and a new skill, things are looking up. I wouldn't be surprised if, for the first time since this anime started, we had a season better than season one.

Give it a chance before you decide to bash it.

I get your point but people are allowed to have bad first impressions, promising to you doesn't mean promising to everyone. And most people are giving it a chance, and no one is bashing anything.

[AloisTrancy]

The only thing I shall say upon this, is that I hope that the new RP's aren't going to be Seekers, because if it's a new archetype, that means there'll be new archetypes (eventually) everywhere else, which I'd be happy to see. Also, wouldn't the above conversation/debate fit better in an anime discussion instead of a discussion about trial decks?

Sorry, I just saw someone else bringing it up and giving it bad remarks already, and it annoyed me.

I get your point but people are allowed to have bad first impressions, promising to you doesn't mean promising to everyone. And most people are giving it a chance, and no one is bashing anything.

No. No they are not. I don't know what you mean by "most people" and "no one is bashing anything" but I've already seen plenty of hate for both the character designs, the lack of Aichi or Kai being the main character, and general bad assumptions about the new season.

Bad first impressions are fine if they have a good basis. But when we haven't so much as seen one episode of the new season, there's no basis to go off of. If you make your first impression solely off of the appearance of the new characters or lack of old ones, you're going to be blind to how good the show actually is.

Being 'prepared for the worst' isn't how you come to like a show. It's how you ruin your ability to like one before it even begins.

[Cherry]

The only thing I shall say upon this, is that I hope that the new RP's aren't going to be Seekers, because if it's a new archetype, that means there'll be new archetypes (eventually) everywhere else, which I'd be happy to see. Also, wouldn't the above conversation/debate fit better in an anime discussion instead of a discussion about trial decks?

Right now, it seems that we're starting without archetype-focused releases. I have to say, I'm a tad disappointed that we're not expanding on Seekers anymore since lord knows they could really use an extra push for non-Thing Saver decks. Though, at the same time, I'm rather happy I feel at liberty to make a deck that doesn't require certain named units and that having non-archetyped cards feels better than a tech.

If we get archetypes eventually, I can only pray it won't be as stupidly standardized as the onslaught of Liberators and Eradicators were in the beginning.

[[ER] Patrickzzz]

I get your point but people are allowed to have bad first impressions, promising to you doesn't mean promising to everyone. And most people are giving it a chance, and no one is bashing anything.

No. No they are not. I don't know what you mean by "most people" and "no one is bashing anything" but I've already seen plenty of hate for both the character designs, the lack of Aichi or Kai being the main character, and general bad assumptions about the new season.

Bad first impressions are fine if they have a good basis. But when we haven't so much as seen one episode of the new season, there's no basis to go off of. If you make your first impression solely off of the appearance of the new characters or lack of old ones, you're going to be blind to how good the show actually is.

Being 'prepared for the worst' isn't how you come to like a show. It's how you ruin your ability to like one before it even begins.

No, it doesn't ruin anything. Ofc you can judge a anime by the character design. It's a normal thing to do, it's not like i'm making a definite opnion on it, but the looks of an anime is what gives you the first impression you don't watch every anime to have a impression about it. And besides haven't you ever thought an anime sucked at first and then found out you actually liked it? I think the design for this season is a little weird and it doesn't really match the one we had so far, but i still have hopes for this season and my opnion of the design won't "ruin" my ability to like it. I had bad first impressions in several animes and was surprised in a good way.

[AloisTrancy]

First point: You can make an impression on a character based on their appearance, but doing so for an anime is like judging a bookstore based on the appearance of the people that shop there. "Normal" or not it's stupid. Have you seriously never heard of "Don't judge a book by it's cover"? It's a pretty common saying that rings true for more than books.

Second point: No. I have never hated an anime at first then found out I liked it. Because I don't judge something until I've seen a good portion of it. If after around 10 or so episodes, I determine an anime sucks, I stop watching it. Because at that point it's failed to catch any of my attention and I no longer care. I will always give a good chance to an anime before judging it, however.

Third point: Actually, it does. Even if it doesn't seem like it, having a negative opinion of something before you try vastly increases the likelihood that you won't enjoy it, even if you would have otherwise. That's because your mind already holds something in a negative light, and you're more likely to stick with your preconceptions than not.

Fourth point: This is more of me being asinine, but the plural of "Anime" is "Anime". "Animes" is not a word.

Final point: The looks of the anime aren't what is in question here. We don't know what season 5 will look like, we only know about the way the characters look and what clans they play. So there really isn't anything we can form a good judgment of the show with. Your first impression is from the first episode. That's how you start forming a judgment.

[Cherry]

I think the design for this season is a little weird and it doesn't really match the one we had so far,

I know this should go in Anime Discussion but isn't this a good thing that it doesn't match?

[[ER] Patrickzzz]

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First point: You can make an impression on a character based on their appearance, but doing so for an anime is like judging a bookstore based on the appearance of the people that shop there. "Normal" or not it's stupid. Have you seriously never heard of "Don't judge a book by it's cover"? It's a pretty common saying that rings true for more than books.

Second point: No. I have never hated an anime at first then found out I liked it. Because I don't judge something until I've seen a good portion of it. If after around 10 or so episodes, I determine an anime sucks, I stop watching it. Because at that point it's failed to catch any of my attention and I no longer care. I will always give a good chance to an anime before judging it, however.

Third point: Actually, it does. Even if it doesn't seem like it, having a negative opinion of something before you try vastly increases the likelihood that you won't enjoy it, even if you would have otherwise. That's because your mind already holds something in a negative light, and you're more likely to stick with your preconceptions than not.

Fourth point: This is more of me being asinine, but the plural of "Anime" is "Anime". "Animes" is not a word.

Final point: The looks of the anime aren't what is in question here. We don't know what season 5 will look like, we only know about the way the characters look and what clans they play. So there really isn't anything we can form a good judgment of the show with. Your first impression is from the first episode. That's how you start forming a judgment.

1:What i'm trying to say is that the cover is a important part of the book. It's the same thing you said about the mind, even tho you don't know or don't admit it the first impression you will have of something it's the first thing you see about it, and that is totally ok as long as you give the content a chance. Yes, i am judging the character design, but that doesn't mean i won't judge the content. It's the same thing to books or even to topics. Someone can make a good point but if it's not an organized topic you won't have a good first impression, a nice cover makes you feel that is likely that the book also has good content. Aesthetics matter.
2: I didn't mean at the middle of the anime i meant when you see an anime description or something and you think "this probably sucks but i will give it a shot" And ends up liking it, or that anime that a friend recommended to you and you don't think you will enjoy it but you do.
3:There's a whole different concept about lower expectations = more likelyhood of enjoying something. That is not a defined rule and it's very circunstantial.
4:Nice to know.
5:I was judging it aesthetically. I'm not in any way making a full judgement of the show before it's released. And as i said i'm actually looking forward to it.

EDIT:

Spoiler

I think the design for this season is a little weird and it doesn't really match the one we had so far,

I know this should go in Anime Discussion but isn't this a good thing that it doesn't match?

Good and bad really.

[Devour]

I highly suggest some of you look up 'organized scepticism".
I'm fully aware of who the director is and what has been done in the past. Before you try and take things out of context, I suggest you re-read and think about it at first. No, I'm not a fan of the current look of the new characters as they are fairly simmilar to Zexal's, which was the worst YGO 'season' by far, considering characters. Stating that does not mean one must neccessarily hate everything that is even slightly relateable to it.
You're very well free to criticise anything faulty you might notice, be it in design, development or story. However, and this kills everything you've been raging about, we currently only have character designs, which are, and I repeat, Buddyfight x ZeXal look-alike at first, second and every sight past that. No one ever mentioned the entire season is bound to suck solely for the character appearance and/or lack of certain characters. We all expected a cast change, but none of us expected this art style which is very far from the previous one and it'll take time for us to adjust, like it's been before.
Now, this is a discussion on the actual TD's/BT, so keep it at that. And don't swear again. I'm sure you're aware what happens then.

[AloisTrancy]

1:What i'm trying to say is that the cover is a important part of the book. It's the same thing you said about the mind, even tho you don't know or don't admit it the first impression you will have of something it's the first thing you see about it, and that is totally ok as long as you give the content a chance. Yes, i am judging the character design, but that doesn't mean i won't judge the content. It's the same thing to books or even to topics. Someone can make a good point but if it's not an organized topic you won't have a good first impression, a nice cover makes you feel that is likely that the book also has good content. Aesthetics matter.
2: I didn't mean at the middle of the anime i meant when you see an anime description or something and you think "this probably sucks but i will give it a shot" And ends up liking it, or that anime that a friend recommended to you and you don't think you will enjoy it but you do.
3:There's a whole different concept about lower expectations = more likelyhood of enjoying something. That is not a defined rule and it's very circunstantial.
4:Nice to know.
5:I was judging it aesthetically. I'm not in any way making a full judgement of the show before it's released. And as i said i'm actually looking forward to it.

1: No. The cover. Of a book. Does not. Mean anything. About. The. Contents. Character designs mean nothing about the season and judging it based on those is stupid. Period.

2: I know what you meant. And I meant what I said. I don't read anime summaries. I just watch anime that have been suggested to me or I found interesting based on things around me.

3: No it really isn't. If you think negatively about something, your response to it will be generally more negative.

4: You're welcome.

5: You're judging it based on the looks of three characters. Not they way they act. Not the deck they used. Not the story. Nothing but how the main characters have used. Whether or not you're looking forward to it doesn't matter here. You're still judging it harshly based on how the characters look.


As for Devour, I don't know you or know why you're bothering to try and argue against me, but your first mistake was claiming ZeXal was bad. Secondly, scepticism is different than outright bashing.
Maybe you should try to form an argument that isn't based solely on attempting to sound smart before you get back to me.
What you said, doesn't kill anything I'm raging about, at all. You're right, we ONLY have character designs. That's IT. Period. Which means we have NOTHING to judge the season based off of. We can at most judge the characters and that's all.
And they aren't buddyfightxZexal at all. One of them has a more out there hairstyle, but not only is Aichi's hair /still/ crazier than Chrono's, Shion and Tokoha both have pretty simple hair. So their styles is pretty basic. One character with crazy hair and two with more normal hair. And quite a few people have mentioned that, mr. Devour. You think you know it all, but you really seem to be missing quite a lot.
This art style isn't that different at all. Characters have grown up, but that's all. And the new characters? Only one of them hair a hairstyle even moderately different from what we've seen before. Rather than trying to back up a wrong point, you should focus more on learning about what's going on.
You aren't my mom or dad and I honestly don't care if I get kicked or w.e, so don't treat yourself as above me. Because you aren't. I will never understand the stupidity of "No swearing", but whatever.