Is skill being removed from vanguard?

[WaiterFang]

Well, if you wanna test out how well skill holds over the evolution of the game, when bt16 is completely out. Someone can hold a tournament. Each participant could only use cards from one season of vanguard, and the limit of payers in each season could be limited to amounts that you could choose.
BT01-05: Season 1
BT06-09: Season 2
BT10-15: Season 3
BT16: Season 4
The extra boosters can be included into their respective seasons also.
Since card sleeves are available now, maybe if any moderators are willing to, they could give a reward sleeve to the champion and the sleeve could change depending on the season that the winner represented. Better looking sleeves could be the reward for people in earlier seasons to tempt more players to use earlier seasons.

[Incursio]

Well, if you wanna test out how well skill holds over the evolution of the game, when bt16 is completely out. Someone can hold a tournament. Each participant could only use cards from one season of vanguard, and the limit of payers in each season could be limited to amounts that you could choose.
BT01-05: Season 1
BT06-09: Season 2
BT10-15: Season 3
BT16: Season 4
The extra boosters can be included into their respective seasons also.
Since card sleeves are available now, maybe if any moderators are willing to, they could give a reward sleeve to the champion and the sleeve could change depending on the season that the winner represented. Better looking sleeves could be the reward for people in earlier seasons to tempt more players to use earlier seasons.

No offense Fang, but Season 3 and 4 are going to have an overwhelming advantage over the others.
Even if you do offer earlier better sleeves to players using older cards, the new cards completely outclass the others with Break Rides and Legions.

I'm not exactly sure how to make it balanced but I know for sure that the current rules wouldn't be fair at all. Maybe just have separate tournaments, like a Season 1 tournament followed by 2, 3, and 4. But even in that case it would just be the strongest decks from the respective seasons going against each other, so it would more be like a series of tournaments to go through the history of Vanguard.
The problem is that every season there has been a large gap, so trying to put a normal Dragonic Overlord player up against a Re-birth player would only show the Season 1 player getting demolished.

[WaiterFang]

Well, if you wanna test out how well skill holds over the evolution of the game, when bt16 is completely out. Someone can hold a tournament. Each participant could only use cards from one season of vanguard, and the limit of payers in each season could be limited to amounts that you could choose.
BT01-05: Season 1
BT06-09: Season 2
BT10-15: Season 3
BT16: Season 4
The extra boosters can be included into their respective seasons also.
Since card sleeves are available now, maybe if any moderators are willing to, they could give a reward sleeve to the champion and the sleeve could change depending on the season that the winner represented. Better looking sleeves could be the reward for people in earlier seasons to tempt more players to use earlier seasons.

No offense Fang, but Season 3 and 4 are going to have an overwhelming advantage over the others.
Even if you do offer earlier better sleeves to players using older cards, the new cards completely outclass the others with Break Rides and Legions.

I'm not exactly sure how to make it balanced but I know for sure that the current rules wouldn't be fair at all. Maybe just have separate tournaments, like a Season 1 tournament followed by 2, 3, and 4. But even in that case it would just be the strongest decks from the respective seasons going against each other, so it would more be like a series of tournaments to go through the history of Vanguard.
The problem is that every season there has been a large gap, so trying to put a normal Dragonic Overlord player up against a Re-birth player would only show the Season 1 player getting demolished.

Meh, good point . I don't try to make tournaments enough anymore.

[aeee98]

I do think Legion wasn't the right way to proceed with Vanguard, the mechanic itself isn't really that bad but the new skills on the units are far too powerful that you can't even compare them to the previous archetypes (see Seekers and Brawlers, etc).
Top that off with Legion having a ridiculous amount of power every turn, and you have complete power creep from the previous season.

To be honest I had seen Legion or a mechanic like that coming to this game. It was quite obvious. The cost though is a small disappointment to me though.

[Incursio]

I do think Legion wasn't the right way to proceed with Vanguard, the mechanic itself isn't really that bad but the new skills on the units are far too powerful that you can't even compare them to the previous archetypes (see Seekers and Brawlers, etc).
Top that off with Legion having a ridiculous amount of power every turn, and you have complete power creep from the previous season.

To be honest I had seen Legion or a mechanic like that coming to this game. It was quite obvious. The cost though is a small disappointment to me though.

Yeah, the mechanic itself is not much the problem as the skills that were given to the Legions and the subclans, for example the Metalborgs who can swing for 30k/2c with a break ride and force your opponent to guard with triggers.

[WaiterFang]

I do think Legion wasn't the right way to proceed with Vanguard, the mechanic itself isn't really that bad but the new skills on the units are far too powerful that you can't even compare them to the previous archetypes (see Seekers and Brawlers, etc).
Top that off with Legion having a ridiculous amount of power every turn, and you have complete power creep from the previous season.

To be honest I had seen Legion or a mechanic like that coming to this game. It was quite obvious. The cost though is a small disappointment to me though.

Though Legion's cost is considerably small and can be considered beneficial, but it requires either frequent early guarding or potential overguarding of attacks to effectively utilize the benefits of legion the most. It does allow more cautious people to be able to fight without the worry about possibly making themselves lose to use their limit breaks or megablasts.....What the [censor] ever happened to megablast anyway?

[Incursio]

I do think Legion wasn't the right way to proceed with Vanguard, the mechanic itself isn't really that bad but the new skills on the units are far too powerful that you can't even compare them to the previous archetypes (see Seekers and Brawlers, etc).
Top that off with Legion having a ridiculous amount of power every turn, and you have complete power creep from the previous season.

To be honest I had seen Legion or a mechanic like that coming to this game. It was quite obvious. The cost though is a small disappointment to me though.

Though Legion's cost is considerably small and can be considered beneficial, but it requires either frequent early guarding or potential overguarding of attacks to effectively utilize the benefits of legion the most. It does allow more cautious people to be able to fight without the worry about possibly making themselves lose to use their limit breaks or megablasts.....What the [censor] ever happened to megablast anyway?

I think Megablasts were scrapped for whatever reason, which is a bit of a shame because I always thought they were pretty cool.
I guess Bushiroad wanted to push their other new mechanics more than Megablasts?

[aeee98]

I do think Legion wasn't the right way to proceed with Vanguard, the mechanic itself isn't really that bad but the new skills on the units are far too powerful that you can't even compare them to the previous archetypes (see Seekers and Brawlers, etc).
Top that off with Legion having a ridiculous amount of power every turn, and you have complete power creep from the previous season.

To be honest I had seen Legion or a mechanic like that coming to this game. It was quite obvious. The cost though is a small disappointment to me though.

Though Legion's cost is considerably small and can be considered beneficial, but it requires either frequent early guarding or potential overguarding of attacks to effectively utilize the benefits of legion the most. It does allow more cautious people to be able to fight without the worry about possibly making themselves lose to use their limit breaks or megablasts.....What the [censor] ever happened to megablast anyway?

Megablast is a complete mistake imo. It is like a one shot victory card which usually doesn't work.

Early Guarding does not need to be frequent. I can fill the drop with 3-4 cards extremely easily without mulligan skilled cards such as Lien over the span of 3 turns. If you are really comfortable with guarding early, you can do that with LB decks as well (In fact, I do guard really early if I don't want that early damage so quick and you are bound to have 1-2 triggers in your hand in many games anyway.)

[Incursio]

I do think Legion wasn't the right way to proceed with Vanguard, the mechanic itself isn't really that bad but the new skills on the units are far too powerful that you can't even compare them to the previous archetypes (see Seekers and Brawlers, etc).
Top that off with Legion having a ridiculous amount of power every turn, and you have complete power creep from the previous season.

To be honest I had seen Legion or a mechanic like that coming to this game. It was quite obvious. The cost though is a small disappointment to me though.

Though Legion's cost is considerably small and can be considered beneficial, but it requires either frequent early guarding or potential overguarding of attacks to effectively utilize the benefits of legion the most. It does allow more cautious people to be able to fight without the worry about possibly making themselves lose to use their limit breaks or megablasts.....What the [censor] ever happened to megablast anyway?

Megablast is a complete mistake imo. It is like a one shot victory card which usually doesn't work.

Early Guarding does not need to be frequent. I can fill the drop with 3-4 cards extremely easily without mulligan skilled cards such as Lien over the span of 3 turns. If you are really comfortable with guarding early, you can do that with LB decks as well (In fact, I do guard really early if I don't want that early damage so quick and you are bound to have 1-2 triggers in your hand in many games anyway.)

Yeah, I just like cards that can abruptly end the game like that. High risk, high reward.

You're right that early guarding doesn't need to be frequent, I would say just guard whenever you can afford to. No need to give up good units to save 1 damage when they could end up winning you the game. Some things like Musketeers usually have a very easy time filling the 4 grave for Legion because of their subclan skills, even without much early guarding.

[BlueFTW]

Well Legion Does Promote Mixing of Clans
 < Proud User of Brawlers+Seekers+Brakki+ The New NN unflipper

[M4tt]

Well Legion Does Promote Mixing of Clans
 < Proud User of Brawlers+Seekers+Brakki+ The New NN unflipper

And you use all of them in one deck?

[FTLol]

Well Legion Does Promote Mixing of Clans
 < Proud User of Brawlers+Seekers+Brakki+ The New NN unflipper

Why not Silver Blaze?

[FTLol]

Well Legion Does Promote Mixing of Clans
 < Proud User of Brawlers+Seekers+Brakki+ The New NN unflipper

And you use all of them in one deck?

Thanks to the new cards, mix claning is very possible now. Someone I know used Metalborgs in his SSSD deck (in CFA, that is).

[TimPowerGamer]

I am loving it.  Even simple techs like Mahoraga (place with 12k beater/11k grade 3 for 22k/21k row) and Narukami on-legion retires (Or Blaster Blade Seeker if this is a Royals deck) to make bigger rows can work out greatly.

[DasherKaito]

Personally I dislike Legions. Skill feels a second priority compared to getting the ace card of your deck as quick as possible. Even without Legion at the moment at most tournaments players have an ace monster and a back up ace. I use decks that could utilize any grade 3 vanguard unit my deck has.