Raizers + Cat Butler - What adaptations have we come up with so far?

[TimPowerGamer]

I tried to adapt my old Brutal Jack build to fit around the new Raizer legion.  It works out okay, it's just no longer utilizing rush ratios.  Here's the two builds I've got, one isn't complete until we get a second Legion.

Starter - Battleraizer (Stays behind Vanguard until you ride to grade 3)

15 crits
4x Cat Butler

4x Carving Raizer
4x Cannonraizer
4x Perfect guard
2x Tankraizer

4x High Powered Raizer Custom (preferred Vanguard so he can be a 16k restander with Cat Butlers for those magic numbers until you hit grade 3)
4x Ultimate Raizer, Dual Flare (Legion mate, can be a 16k restanding RG if you Legion with Carving behind it)
4x Phoenix Raizer Flare Wing (12k beats)

4x Ultimate Raizer, Mega Flare (Legion, Cat Butler Shenanigans, you know the drill)

Naturally, the goal is to fill up your field and deal as much damage early as possible.  Since Cat Butlers are designed to be boosters, this really isn't too far off from a standard rush deck.  You can make some strong plays with it and the mate on RG.  Like, strong, stupid plays.

Second build - For those of you not interested in rushing.

Blaujunger
12 crit/4 heal

4x Perfect Guard
4x Blaupanzer
4x Carvingraizer
2x Tankraizer

4x Mate1
3x Mate2

4x Legion1
4x Legion2

Pick your Favorites.  You now have Cat Butler maxed in your deck with the same odds to ride as normal.  We can't do this until we have a second Legion for Novas in the game.

[crossflames]

I'd suggest running some stands since the point of Legion is to eliminate the extra critical necessary within a drive check. There, you can move some abilities to your rearguard that has stood.

[Magus TSS]

15 crits

You mean 16 right? You can't have less then 16 triggers in your deck.

[crossflames]

15 crits

You mean 16 right? You can't have less then 16 triggers in your deck.

I would assume that's the case since the numbers don't add up otherwise. >_< Anyways, I would suggest the second build as the main deck since it actually has 'heals', running a deck without heals is a big risk in tournaments.

[Incursio]

I believe either build is fine as long as you're sure that they can kill the opponent consistently.

If I had to choose one I think I'll have to agree with crossflames that the second build looks more stable, Cat Butler is useless if they just no guard your G2. If you don't ride a G3 because you want to use Cat Butler, you'll start to fall behind because of their Twin Drive.
Also having heals is always good since it can often turn around games.

[TimPowerGamer]

The purpose of this deck is to constantly restand my Vanguard with Cat Butlers.  Stands would spread out my damage, which isn't going to help my deck end the game.  The objective is to punish them for guarding by giving me more drive checks, and thus, more crits to toss on my Vanguard.  The crits also push them to the guard-or-die threshold sooner.  If they don't guard my Vanguard, Cat Butler is just a 5k booster that's killing my ratios.

Also, my starter is a stand trigger. 

If I had to choose one I think I'll have to agree with crossflames that the second build looks more stable, Cat Butler is useless if they just no guard your G2. If you don't ride a G3 because you want to use Cat Butler, you'll start to fall behind because of their Twin Drive.
Also having heals is always good since it can often turn around games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF1auPGkZag&google_comment_id=z134hj3amqyasvxz004cfdhhrrmgxfcrmkg0k&google_view_type#gpluscomments  I am essentially adapting an adaptation of another Cat Butler deck I used to run.  The idea of having a 16k restanding Vanguard is pretty nice.  The purpose of the original deck is to have an extremely high amount of fieldable units from the first turn so I can get 3 fully boosted attacks from the first turn attacking, then once my opponent reaches the "guard or die" threshold, have my Cat Butlers out to use in conjunction with my crits to burn their hand away completely.

[crossflames]

If I had to choose one I think I'll have to agree with crossflames that the second build looks more stable, Cat Butler is useless if they just no guard your G2. If you don't ride a G3 because you want to use Cat Butler, you'll start to fall behind because of their Twin Drive.
Also having heals is always good since it can often turn around games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF1auPGkZag&google_comment_id=z134hj3amqyasvxz004cfdhhrrmgxfcrmkg0k&google_view_type#gpluscomments  I am essentially adapting an adaptation of another Cat Butler deck I used to run.  The idea of having a 16k restanding Vanguard is pretty nice.  The purpose of the original deck is to have an extremely high amount of fieldable units from the first turn so I can get 3 fully boosted attacks from the first turn attacking, then once my opponent reaches the "guard or die" threshold, have my Cat Butlers out to use in conjunction with my crits to burn their hand away completely.

I see where you're coming from, the rush tactic may be consistent at times but your opponent can do the exact same (Ex. Descendant) However, if that's your way then it makes sense too.

[Incursio]

If I had to choose one I think I'll have to agree with crossflames that the second build looks more stable, Cat Butler is useless if they just no guard your G2. If you don't ride a G3 because you want to use Cat Butler, you'll start to fall behind because of their Twin Drive.
Also having heals is always good since it can often turn around games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF1auPGkZag&google_comment_id=z134hj3amqyasvxz004cfdhhrrmgxfcrmkg0k&google_view_type#gpluscomments  I am essentially adapting an adaptation of another Cat Butler deck I used to run.  The idea of having a 16k restanding Vanguard is pretty nice.  The purpose of the original deck is to have an extremely high amount of fieldable units from the first turn so I can get 3 fully boosted attacks from the first turn attacking, then once my opponent reaches the "guard or die" threshold, have my Cat Butlers out to use in conjunction with my crits to burn their hand away completely.

Oh man, I made a pretty big mistake.
I forgot that Cat Butler works with Legion, so he's still effective after Grade 3. In that case you indeed should be running four.

I think your deck works pretty well, how has it been doing in your experience?

By the way crossflames, Descendant isn't a "rush tactic" at all. DD is a finisher that you use once your opponent is at 5 because he generates extreme pressure at that point.

[TimPowerGamer]

I have 4 less grade 3's, which means I have 45/49 fieldable cards on my second turn, so that increases the consistency of rushing greatly.  Descendant does absolutely nothing to rush.  As a matter of fact, you have to sacrifice field presence to superior ride him.

The deck itself hasn't lost yet.  I've had good luck with getting my HPRC or grade 3 out as Vanguard.  If I have to ride one of my other grade 2's (without riding into grade 3) I'm kind of boned, because a 9k restander is pretty meh.  But that's no different than the odds of missing a grade 3 in the first place, as far as consistency is considered.

[UnknownKIRA]

Why don't you skip one Cat Butler for a Starter Miraioh then? (Grade 3 searcher)

[TimPowerGamer]

Grade 3 searchers have a 60% chance to be successful.  If you have 8 grade 3's in deck.  And haven't seen any by turn 2.

Not going down that route.  If I draw into one, I draw into one.  If I have a grade 2 Vanguard, the deck does what it was built for, and all of my units are still fieldable.

[Incursio]

Being undefeated is pretty impressive, nice job. I guess it's fast enough that people can't guard all the rush?

Also Kira, I think if not getting a Grade 3 was that big of a problem he would just run more Grade 3s rather than a searcher. Also doesn't make that much sense to drop a Cat Butler since they're really important for the deck.

[TimPowerGamer]

I've played about 130 games with my Blau https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PklIT2Lpl10&feature=youtu.be version of the deck.  My win rate hovers around 75%.  I feel like Cat Butler in and of itself is just a toxic card.  ~_~

That said, yes.  Opponents can't typically guard 3 fully boosted attacks every turn.  Even if they guard my RG's and take the VG hit, they are still at risk of getting crit from my Vanguard with 15 of them.  Many people get put in the situation where they have to no guard my Vanguard at 4 damage because the risk of getting crit isn't as scary as dealing with my Vanguard attacking 3 times.  ~_~

[UnknownKIRA]

Actually I have a Raizer Legion deck in CFA too. Currently in the deck there is 7 grade 3s and I play Miraioh as starter with 3 Cat Butlers. The deck has a descent win rate over some 20-30 games I believe. (Been cardfighting the whole day) Cat Butler is important but you can still win without it.

[Neopaladin28]

Cat Butler is important but you can still win without it.

true but what cat butler is just some insurance, like how people use dauntless. at 4-5 damage that forced guard is almost definite  especially counting that Mega Flare needs 4 rested UNITS to activate his crit. The abuse is crazy.