Raizers + Cat Butler - What adaptations have we come up with so far?

[Incursio]

Actually I have a Raizer Legion deck in CFA too. Currently in the deck there is 7 grade 3s and I play Miraioh as starter with 3 Cat Butlers. The deck has a descent win rate over some 20-30 games I believe. (Been cardfighting the whole day) Cat Butler is important but you can still win without it.

If that works for you it should be fine to keep it like that, it's just that I don't see a point in dropping a Butler in Tim's deck since he already stated that he doesn't want to run the G3 searcher.
Having 4 Cat Butlers is more consistent and simply better than having 3 in every way.

[HunterSerge]

Tim, the 2nd build seems to be missing the Grade 2 Blaukluger.

Anyways, my original intent was to build something along the lines the 2nd build, but that was before realizing Frozen Ogres use as effectively extra Cat Butlers. Instead, I'm now going to be using a deck that adopts the grade ratio commonly used by Nubatama to fit in Hagakure and Granblue to fit in Chappie.

1x Energyraizer
3x Cat Butler
12x Critical Trigger
4x Heal Trigger

4x Perfect Guard
4x Tankraizer
4x Carvingraizer

4x Ultimate Raizer - Dual Flare
2x Pheonix Raizer - Flare Wing
4x Frozen Ogre

4x Ultimate Raizer - Mega Flare
4x Pheonix Raizer - Drill Wing

[ヤタ]

I'm playing a version of this deck with no Grade 3s, since that's as anti legion as you can get, an it's going well so far. I use Transraizer instead of Dual Flare because of this, but would Wingraizer be better?

[HunterSerge]

I'm playing a version of this deck with no Grade 3s, since that's as anti legion as you can get, an it's going well so far. I use Transraizer instead of Dual Flare because of this, but would Wingraizer be better?

Hmm, yeah, definitely. Transraizer's power is just too low and its top call, on top of being not worth it due to being a top call, isn't even consistent.

[TimPowerGamer]

Tim, the 2nd build seems to be missing the Grade 2 Blaukluger.

Tim, you're drunk, go home.

[crossflames]

If I had to choose one I think I'll have to agree with crossflames that the second build looks more stable, Cat Butler is useless if they just no guard your G2. If you don't ride a G3 because you want to use Cat Butler, you'll start to fall behind because of their Twin Drive.
Also having heals is always good since it can often turn around games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF1auPGkZag&google_comment_id=z134hj3amqyasvxz004cfdhhrrmgxfcrmkg0k&google_view_type#gpluscomments  I am essentially adapting an adaptation of another Cat Butler deck I used to run.  The idea of having a 16k restanding Vanguard is pretty nice.  The purpose of the original deck is to have an extremely high amount of fieldable units from the first turn so I can get 3 fully boosted attacks from the first turn attacking, then once my opponent reaches the "guard or die" threshold, have my Cat Butlers out to use in conjunction with my crits to burn their hand away completely.

Oh man, I made a pretty big mistake.
I forgot that Cat Butler works with Legion, so he's still effective after Grade 3. In that case you indeed should be running four.

I think your deck works pretty well, how has it been doing in your experience?

By the way crossflames, Descendant isn't a "rush tactic" at all. DD is a finisher that you use once your opponent is at 5 because he generates extreme pressure at that point.

It depends on how people us Descendant, DD. I've seen people using a tactic that eliminates their defense to try and get pressure out from Descendant.

[TimPowerGamer]

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That makes -5 sense.  That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks.  You don't control when you draw grade 1, 1, 2, 2, 3 in your hand.  You don't pick to rush.  You have to get extremely lucky to fill a field if you aren't running an actual rush deck.

[crossflames]

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That makes -5 sense.  That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks.  You don't control when you draw grade 1, 1, 2, 2, 3 in your hand.  You don't pick to rush.  You have to get extremely lucky to fill a field if you aren't running an actual rush deck.

I know Link Joker wouldn't be considered a rush deck in my opinion since the later format requires more grade 3's within your hand and more guarding capability. If I had to say 'Beast Deity' have more chances of being a good rush deck.

[HunterSerge]

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That makes -5 sense.  That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks.  You don't control when you draw grade 1, 1, 2, 2, 3 in your hand.  You don't pick to rush.  You have to get extremely lucky to fill a field if you aren't running an actual rush deck.

I know Link Joker wouldn't be considered a rush deck in my opinion since the later format requires more grade 3's within your hand and more guarding capability. If I had to say 'Beast Deity' have more chances of being a good rush deck.

What? You completely missed Timmy's point. He's saying that rushing isn't a reliable strategy unless you significantly alter your grade ratio specifically to make your deck more capable of filling the field very early on. He also never said anything about Link Joker being a rush deck, he said that there are people who say to counter Link Joker by rushing them, which is faulty logic due to this strategy not being reliable in a standard deck.

[crossflames]

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That makes -5 sense.  That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks.  You don't control when you draw grade 1, 1, 2, 2, 3 in your hand.  You don't pick to rush.  You have to get extremely lucky to fill a field if you aren't running an actual rush deck.

I know Link Joker wouldn't be considered a rush deck in my opinion since the later format requires more grade 3's within your hand and more guarding capability. If I had to say 'Beast Deity' have more chances of being a good rush deck.

What? You completely missed Timmy's point. He's saying that rushing isn't a reliable strategy unless you significantly alter your grade ratio specifically to make your deck more capable of filling the field very early on. He also never said anything about Link Joker being a rush deck, he said that there are people who say to counter Link Joker by rushing them, which is faulty logic due to this strategy not being reliable in a standard deck.

I know what he said That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" Yes, rush tactics are the most reliable strategy but they do work well for most players I know. Also, yes that's exactly my point (he never said anything about Link Joker being a rush deck) which is why I exploited that idea if you can understand what i'm trying to say.

[HunterSerge]

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That makes -5 sense.  That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks.  You don't control when you draw grade 1, 1, 2, 2, 3 in your hand.  You don't pick to rush.  You have to get extremely lucky to fill a field if you aren't running an actual rush deck.

I know Link Joker wouldn't be considered a rush deck in my opinion since the later format requires more grade 3's within your hand and more guarding capability. If I had to say 'Beast Deity' have more chances of being a good rush deck.

What? You completely missed Timmy's point. He's saying that rushing isn't a reliable strategy unless you significantly alter your grade ratio specifically to make your deck more capable of filling the field very early on. He also never said anything about Link Joker being a rush deck, he said that there are people who say to counter Link Joker by rushing them, which is faulty logic due to this strategy not being reliable in a standard deck.

I know what he said That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" Yes, rush tactics are the most reliable strategy but they do work well for most players I know. Also, yes that's exactly my point (he never said anything about Link Joker being a rush deck) which is why I exploited that idea if you can understand what i'm trying to say.

No, no I can't understand what you're trying to say, because you're not making any sense. xD For a strategy to be reliable, it must be consistent. Getting a sufficient amount of Grade 1s and 2s in your first few turns to rush your opponent is NOT consistent. Also, your initial response to Timmy implied that you thought he was saying that Link Joker is a rush deck. I fail to see the purpose of the first part of your initial response to Timmy if you didn't think that Timmy was saying Link Joker is a rush deck.

[crossflames]

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That makes -5 sense.  That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks.  You don't control when you draw grade 1, 1, 2, 2, 3 in your hand.  You don't pick to rush.  You have to get extremely lucky to fill a field if you aren't running an actual rush deck.

I know Link Joker wouldn't be considered a rush deck in my opinion since the later format requires more grade 3's within your hand and more guarding capability. If I had to say 'Beast Deity' have more chances of being a good rush deck.

What? You completely missed Timmy's point. He's saying that rushing isn't a reliable strategy unless you significantly alter your grade ratio specifically to make your deck more capable of filling the field very early on. He also never said anything about Link Joker being a rush deck, he said that there are people who say to counter Link Joker by rushing them, which is faulty logic due to this strategy not being reliable in a standard deck.

I know what he said That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" Yes, rush tactics are the most reliable strategy but they do work well for most players I know. Also, yes that's exactly my point (he never said anything about Link Joker being a rush deck) which is why I exploited that idea if you can understand what i'm trying to say.

No, no I can't understand what you're trying to say, because you're not making any sense. xD For a strategy to be reliable, it must be consistent. Getting a sufficient amount of Grade 1s and 2s in your first few turns to rush your opponent is NOT consistent. Also, your initial response to Timmy implied that you thought he was saying that Link Joker is a rush deck. I fail to see the purpose of the first part of your initial response to Timmy if you didn't think that Timmy was saying Link Joker is a rush deck.

Then, i'll answer to your post. "Getting a sufficient amount of Grade 1s and 2s in your first few turns to rush your opponent is NOT consistent." I know that, if rush is not consistent then it wouldn't work well for Link Joker. I thought Timmy was assuming that Link Joker ISN'T a rush deck to which I agreed with. I don't know how to make myself understand what you're saying otherwise, sorry.

[TimPowerGamer]

That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks.

There is literally 0 room for confusion here.  My post is in perfect context, so long as you understand simple English.

I can't help you understand simple English.  Is it not your first language?  Your use of adverbs and indirect objects are all over the place, which is making me think that you're either young or not a native English speaker.  That could be the primary source of confusion.

[Doctor Who]

Wouldn't be better to use the other Razier legion. Infinite Hell: Razier version.

[Magus TSS]

I kinda like this varient I randomly started to test. Raizer/Asura Kaiser with the Death Army Support. Not ment to be consistent but very fun. The only thing I wish I could do is fit some raizer boosters into it. (not triggers)