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Actually I have a Raizer Legion deck in CFA too. Currently in the deck there is 7 grade 3s and I play Miraioh as starter with 3 Cat Butlers. The deck has a descent win rate over some 20-30 games I believe. (Been cardfighting the whole day) Cat Butler is important but you can still win without it.
I'm playing a version of this deck with no Grade 3s, since that's as anti legion as you can get, an it's going well so far. I use Transraizer instead of Dual Flare because of this, but would Wingraizer be better?
Tim, the 2nd build seems to be missing the Grade 2 Blaukluger.
Quote from: TimPowerGamer on May 05, 2014, 09:07:22 PMQuote from: Incursio on May 05, 2014, 08:59:40 PMIf I had to choose one I think I'll have to agree with crossflames that the second build looks more stable, Cat Butler is useless if they just no guard your G2. If you don't ride a G3 because you want to use Cat Butler, you'll start to fall behind because of their Twin Drive.Also having heals is always good since it can often turn around games.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF1auPGkZag&google_comment_id=z134hj3amqyasvxz004cfdhhrrmgxfcrmkg0k&google_view_type#gpluscomments I am essentially adapting an adaptation of another Cat Butler deck I used to run. The idea of having a 16k restanding Vanguard is pretty nice. The purpose of the original deck is to have an extremely high amount of fieldable units from the first turn so I can get 3 fully boosted attacks from the first turn attacking, then once my opponent reaches the "guard or die" threshold, have my Cat Butlers out to use in conjunction with my crits to burn their hand away completely.Oh man, I made a pretty big mistake.I forgot that Cat Butler works with Legion, so he's still effective after Grade 3. In that case you indeed should be running four.I think your deck works pretty well, how has it been doing in your experience?By the way crossflames, Descendant isn't a "rush tactic" at all. DD is a finisher that you use once your opponent is at 5 because he generates extreme pressure at that point.
Quote from: Incursio on May 05, 2014, 08:59:40 PMIf I had to choose one I think I'll have to agree with crossflames that the second build looks more stable, Cat Butler is useless if they just no guard your G2. If you don't ride a G3 because you want to use Cat Butler, you'll start to fall behind because of their Twin Drive.Also having heals is always good since it can often turn around games.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF1auPGkZag&google_comment_id=z134hj3amqyasvxz004cfdhhrrmgxfcrmkg0k&google_view_type#gpluscomments I am essentially adapting an adaptation of another Cat Butler deck I used to run. The idea of having a 16k restanding Vanguard is pretty nice. The purpose of the original deck is to have an extremely high amount of fieldable units from the first turn so I can get 3 fully boosted attacks from the first turn attacking, then once my opponent reaches the "guard or die" threshold, have my Cat Butlers out to use in conjunction with my crits to burn their hand away completely.
If I had to choose one I think I'll have to agree with crossflames that the second build looks more stable, Cat Butler is useless if they just no guard your G2. If you don't ride a G3 because you want to use Cat Butler, you'll start to fall behind because of their Twin Drive.Also having heals is always good since it can often turn around games.
^That makes -5 sense. That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks. You don't control when you draw grade 1, 1, 2, 2, 3 in your hand. You don't pick to rush. You have to get extremely lucky to fill a field if you aren't running an actual rush deck.
Quote from: TimPowerGamer on May 06, 2014, 04:58:35 PM^That makes -5 sense. That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks. You don't control when you draw grade 1, 1, 2, 2, 3 in your hand. You don't pick to rush. You have to get extremely lucky to fill a field if you aren't running an actual rush deck.I know Link Joker wouldn't be considered a rush deck in my opinion since the later format requires more grade 3's within your hand and more guarding capability. If I had to say 'Beast Deity' have more chances of being a good rush deck.
Quote from: crossflames on May 06, 2014, 05:00:16 PMQuote from: TimPowerGamer on May 06, 2014, 04:58:35 PM^That makes -5 sense. That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks. You don't control when you draw grade 1, 1, 2, 2, 3 in your hand. You don't pick to rush. You have to get extremely lucky to fill a field if you aren't running an actual rush deck.I know Link Joker wouldn't be considered a rush deck in my opinion since the later format requires more grade 3's within your hand and more guarding capability. If I had to say 'Beast Deity' have more chances of being a good rush deck.What? You completely missed Timmy's point. He's saying that rushing isn't a reliable strategy unless you significantly alter your grade ratio specifically to make your deck more capable of filling the field very early on. He also never said anything about Link Joker being a rush deck, he said that there are people who say to counter Link Joker by rushing them, which is faulty logic due to this strategy not being reliable in a standard deck.
Quote from: HunterSerge on May 06, 2014, 05:27:47 PMQuote from: crossflames on May 06, 2014, 05:00:16 PMQuote from: TimPowerGamer on May 06, 2014, 04:58:35 PM^That makes -5 sense. That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks. You don't control when you draw grade 1, 1, 2, 2, 3 in your hand. You don't pick to rush. You have to get extremely lucky to fill a field if you aren't running an actual rush deck.I know Link Joker wouldn't be considered a rush deck in my opinion since the later format requires more grade 3's within your hand and more guarding capability. If I had to say 'Beast Deity' have more chances of being a good rush deck.What? You completely missed Timmy's point. He's saying that rushing isn't a reliable strategy unless you significantly alter your grade ratio specifically to make your deck more capable of filling the field very early on. He also never said anything about Link Joker being a rush deck, he said that there are people who say to counter Link Joker by rushing them, which is faulty logic due to this strategy not being reliable in a standard deck.I know what he said That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" Yes, rush tactics are the most reliable strategy but they do work well for most players I know. Also, yes that's exactly my point (he never said anything about Link Joker being a rush deck) which is why I exploited that idea if you can understand what i'm trying to say.
Quote from: crossflames on May 06, 2014, 06:12:23 PMQuote from: HunterSerge on May 06, 2014, 05:27:47 PMQuote from: crossflames on May 06, 2014, 05:00:16 PMQuote from: TimPowerGamer on May 06, 2014, 04:58:35 PM^That makes -5 sense. That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks. You don't control when you draw grade 1, 1, 2, 2, 3 in your hand. You don't pick to rush. You have to get extremely lucky to fill a field if you aren't running an actual rush deck.I know Link Joker wouldn't be considered a rush deck in my opinion since the later format requires more grade 3's within your hand and more guarding capability. If I had to say 'Beast Deity' have more chances of being a good rush deck.What? You completely missed Timmy's point. He's saying that rushing isn't a reliable strategy unless you significantly alter your grade ratio specifically to make your deck more capable of filling the field very early on. He also never said anything about Link Joker being a rush deck, he said that there are people who say to counter Link Joker by rushing them, which is faulty logic due to this strategy not being reliable in a standard deck.I know what he said That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" Yes, rush tactics are the most reliable strategy but they do work well for most players I know. Also, yes that's exactly my point (he never said anything about Link Joker being a rush deck) which is why I exploited that idea if you can understand what i'm trying to say.No, no I can't understand what you're trying to say, because you're not making any sense. xD For a strategy to be reliable, it must be consistent. Getting a sufficient amount of Grade 1s and 2s in your first few turns to rush your opponent is NOT consistent. Also, your initial response to Timmy implied that you thought he was saying that Link Joker is a rush deck. I fail to see the purpose of the first part of your initial response to Timmy if you didn't think that Timmy was saying Link Joker is a rush deck.
That's like when people say, "Just rush Link Joker" with their standard ratio decks.