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Cardfight!! Vanguard => CF!!V Discussion => Topic started by: NekoSan on July 22, 2014, 01:51:01 PM
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Every now and then you encounter cheaters in CF Area who would do anything in their power to win a match. Personally I encountered a lot of them and the funny thing is they don't know that we can watch all their activity from the log. Lately the amount of these guys are increasing and this makes the fighting less interesting. You can never enjoy a fight with such cheaters. Whenever you say something about their cheating, they just quit. So you can never have a full on battle. The main reason of opening this as a new topic is so that you don't have to fight such cheater and waste your time. I know anyone can accuse another player to be cheating. But what we need is proof of how they cheat. So if you encounter a cheater, then save the replay of the match and post it here.
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Well the first cheater I encountered today is [T-Zero]Y.Y. He was using a Royal paladin-Shadow paladin hybrid deck and I was using my Link Joker deck. Well things get funny very late in the game. This guys has a Sing Saver dragon (SSD) as his VG and he already has 2 SSD and a Blaster Blade Seeker (BBS) in his soul. Now he tries to do legion by putting back 3 heal and 1 crit from drop to deck. Now when he tries to do legion, he realizes that he doesn't have a copy of BBS left in his deck. So this guy takes cheating to next level and uses a Soul mate legion and immediately put a BBS from drop to deck. Thanks to log feature, I was able to see through his cheating. When I asked about this, he immediately quits without saying anything. What I feel really pathetic is a member of T-Zero resorting to cheating. Anyway I have included the replay, you can check it. Just make sure to check the soul before he does his legion and check the log when he uses legion. Last but not least, watch out of this guy. If you do want to battle him, be prepared to face his cheatings!
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lololol to hear that someone of my Team is cheating really hurts me and i am sorry that you had to have to fight someone like that Neko-san. And i can tell you most members of Zero aren't like that so please forgive Zero for that.
P.S.: i can't really do something about [T-Zero]Y.Y. because i don't really know and see him often he is als not registered in the FB Team Chat i can't leave a message i just suggest you to ignore him
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Lucius, let me tell you beforehand, I didn't post this to harm your team in any manner. I just wanted to point out the cheaters in CF Area, so that others can ignore such players in future. That being said I'm glad that you took the time to clear the air about Y.Y. actually not being in the team. I know there are a lot of players faking to be a part of other teams. I really appreciate you posting the details here.
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i faced a cheater today myself and have faced many of these guys before.
best to just let them go and ignore them because they dont stay long.
i for one love to announce it on the chat to see if i had any witnesses.
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well... good luck with that jai. i hope the CFA 'upper world' area can improve soon.
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I too announce it in the main chat if ever I find any cheaters, so as to warn others. Though most of the time, no one lends an ear. I just hope this thread could help people identify these guys, so they can ignore them in future.
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NTA Asuna is a cheater too and a sore loser no less. i might be mean but i gotta say this. after Breakriding Garnet Star Dragon on infinite Zero Dragon and legioning it he called Demonic claw star vader lanthanum and gave him 8k+ Power because of me having 4 locked Units. Then when i beat him he calls me a cheater himself because he meant Zerachiels act or so can only be used at the Moment i rided her. seeing someone saying that an act can only be used in the riding Phase while calling me cheater makes me laugh and angry at the same time so i am quite pissed <.< .
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And /this/ is why I don't fight people often unless I know them or they can be trusted. e.e
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i don't think if u counter cheaters it will be that bad !
if they cheat tell them and its not like it's rated or smthing, just duel for fun but for my experience i find a cheater every 50 duels they are not common ^^
plus they'll not win anything from cheating ^^
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...They'll still cheat anyway e.e the best thing to do is to tell them to stop, because in future there may be consequences. ono
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after all this is game and especially a tcg-simulation game without any Kind of official ranking so there is no Point to cheat except if you want to tick off people
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Yeah the people who cheat are kids who just go around "trolling you" to get u mad.
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Some people just cheat because they want to win really badly. Even though you don't get anything out of it...
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Some people just cheat because they want to win really badly. Even though you don't get anything out of it...
Yeah it's quite sad when people do that when it's a game. (Meant for fun not to be taken seriously like that like win or lose just have fun, Simple as that lol )
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Hello everyone. I would just like to post these replays on this topic. My friend showed me some of these cheaters. His IGN is Requiem and he also knows that there is another guy named Requiem in CFA but he chose to keep the name anyway hahaha. Anyway he told me that these guys cheated and one is also a sore loser and told everyone that he's a leaver. He got really frustrated by it but i told him to let it go. But anyway I need your help on this one to judge whether they're really cheaters or not.
Here's the link: https://www.mediafire.com/?fu6esdd23u9881c
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Some people just cheat because they want to win really badly. Even though you don't get anything out of it...
"...If you are obsessed with winning, chances are, losing is your natural state."
-Pride, 7 Deadly Sins of Online Gaming.
That aside, maybe they play by street rules?
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Well the first cheater I encountered today is [T-Zero]Y.Y. He was using a Royal paladin-Shadow paladin hybrid deck and I was using my [Link Joker deck.
I don't want to defend Zero, but if u r using LJ than u r no better than him. I, litterally and truly despise the clan and those who play it.
But u r right. Cheaters and quiters aren't fun top play with. Since I hang out in the Sleeve Room (where there are already permanent customers) I already know who is cheating and/or cheating and I don't challenge them at all.
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I don't want to defend Zero, but if u r using LJ than u r no better than him
And you're no better than the both of them, saying a player is no better than a cheater because of a certain clan he's using.
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I don't want to defend Zero, but if u r using LJ than u r no better than him
And you're no better than the both of them, saying a player is no better than a cheater because of a certain clan he's using.
Because the clan itself cheats. Locking is just a cowardly way to win. I am not the best player in the world but by it is not just me who dislikes that clan. And usually, the people who play are acting like noobs so sorry for if my first impression gone wrong.
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it's flawed and cowardly, yes, but I don't see it as a "cheating" mechanic because of its controlling nature. I for one dislike the clan too, but I don't blame the fighter for using it, I blame myself for not learning how to prepare for it quickly enough. And I forgive you for a bad first impression.
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it's flawed and cowardly, yes, but I don't see it as a "cheating" mechanic because of its controlling nature. I for one dislike the clan too, but I don't blame the fighter for using it, I blame myself for not learning how to prepare for it quickly enough. And I forgive you for a bad first impression.
There are other control clans such as Narukami, Kagero, Megacolony. but I can actually do something to those clans. I can replace the lost units/rested units. I can reride my vanguard. But agains LJ only GP can stand an actual chance of fighting (which I do not find fair.)
Locking is itself cheating. I am not complaining or something. I rarely encounter LJ decks and when I do encounter them I say this sentence:
I despise LJ and those who uses this clan." And in the Sleeve room, at least, if you want a game then LJ is off limits.
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the trick to beating LJ is actually easy, you just need to not call a lot of units on the field. I found that an LJ user really hates locking a small field. They lock a card, you call a card, so on and so forth.
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the trick to beating LJ is actually easy, you just need to not call a lot of units on the field. I found that an LJ user really hates locking a small field. They lock a card, you call a card, so on and so forth.
That doesn't work against smart players.
The less units you call, the less offensive power you have all game. This leaves the Joker player to simply stop caring and rush you down completely while you remain adamant on not doing anything. The only Jokers that hate locking small fields are Nebula and Blaster Joker. In addition to that, if you call after their locks, you have more vulnerable to get locked next turn.
The hate for Star-vaders is understandable, it's barely any fair to play against. Gold Paladin's super weapon isn't even consistent with the new Liberator support to have as backup either. It's not cheating because Bushi made it an official skill with official cards and official support. That doesn't make it fair though.
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imo the best clan to deal with LJ (or pretty much anything) is Shadow Paladin (Revengers). All you need to do is to make sure you sac your rear guards with Phantom Blaster Abyss/Raging Form before those LJ players lock your rear guards. That way you can still get 3 attacks done while not worrying about locking.
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Maybe I've just been lucky with my strategy.
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I understand that some people don't like LJ, but comparing it to cheating is going a little to far. It's an annoying clan to fight but it's totally beatable.
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I understand that some people don't like LJ, but comparing it to cheating is going a little to far. It's an annoying clan to fight but it's totally beatable.
lol Agreed^ You can't comparing a clan to cheating
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lol Agreed^ You can't comparing a clan to cheating
HOWEVER, some clans are easier to cheat with. But, again, that's not the clan's fault itself.
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I understand that some people don't like LJ, but comparing it to cheating is going a little to far. It's an annoying clan to fight but it's totally beatable.
Not it's not. All clans depend on having a full field because of their vanguard and/or rearguards skills that are crucial to your strategy. The lock mechanic is cheating. If it's legal than doesn't mean it's correct from the moral point of view.
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Link Joker is not cheating. I, personally I do not enjoy the more popular variants of how to play, I understand why you'd say this though, because what lock does is against the inherent mechanics of the base game.
Technically speaking however, it doesn't generate advantage unless its Chaos Breaker.
It's basically the Set 5 and pass in Yugioh or Mono Blue in Magic, it's annoying as all hell and tries to negate the other players input, but its not nigh unbeatable nor tier 0, I do think the design of lock in itself wasn't that great since the game shifted to making a lot of powerful Vanguard centric units (eg Sing Saver) but it's frustrating.
It's basically like saying anti-meta decks shouldn't exist, though the main problem is that not every deck can have access to it, but it is not cheating or morally wrong.
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and lets not Forget, Link Joker is the only popular clan that doesn't have vg restander/rerider, their retirer is Chaos-breaker, they don't have any Glory skill Units and most of all there are unlocker man...
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I'd call stopping people from properly playing the game morally wrong but that's just me. The creation of Omega Lock doesn't help either.
Anyway, you guys can steer this back onto the topic of cfa's cheaters. Feel free to make a thread on the topic of Jokers' impact on the game though.
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Well, we can start off with a cheaters list.
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lol This topic has turned into "cheaters" into What I hate and opinions. Idk how this topic isn't locked for being so off topic
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Nah, it was still on the topic of cheating. Just more of "moral cheating" than the cheaters of cfa, which is why I suggested steering back to the original topic.
A list of cheaters would be a good idea so people who browse the forums know who to look out for. I can edit them onto the opening post if needed.
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to be fair, LJ has been the longest running villain clan so far, and you still expect it to play morally and fairly?
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Nah, it was still on the topic of cheating. Just more of "moral cheating" than the cheaters of cfa, which is why I suggested steering back to the original topic.
A list of cheaters would be a good idea so people who browse the forums know who to look out for. I can edit them onto the opening post if needed.
Oh I can do that. lol I have a big list of people who cheat/troll on purpose so if you want I can make one and post it on here.
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Would call Megacolony the longest standing since they were a criminal syndicate and Cray born from the start but I see your point Dullahan.
Ren, if you have a list, posting it here is much appreciated.
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Ren, if you have a list, posting it here is much appreciated.
Okay I'll make one for you and post it on here. So everyone on here is aware. And just update the list as it gets bigger since I find them all the time. - Sadly -
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Would call Megacolony the longest standing since they were a criminal syndicate and Cray born from the start but I see your point Dullahan.
Ren, if you have a list, posting it here is much appreciated.
Yeah, lore-wise I'd consider Megacolony the longest runners. However we hardly see anything from them anime-wise, and that's what I'm talking about. And also, IMO Lj is chaotic evil/neutral evil, whereas the rest of the "villain" clans were at least chaotic-neutral/lawful evil.
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Yeah, lore-wise I'd consider Megacolony the longest runners. However we hardly see anything from them anime-wise, and that's what I'm talking about. And also, IMO Lj is chaotic evil/neutral evil, whereas the rest of the "villain" clans were at least chaotic-neutral/lawful evil.
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What's chaotic evil and neutral evil at once lol. Isn't that kinda saying really evil and somewhat evil?
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It's the categories of alignment. Chaotic Evil fits for maybe Dark Irregulars and Megacolony, along with Jokers. Aqua Force was Lawful Evil at first in their very first lores and Glory Maelstrom.
I can constantly edit in those updates. Hopefully when people stop playing those cheaters, they stop trying to punk everyone out and read the rules. They could take a look at the standard rules thread too.
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It's the categories of alignment. Chaotic Evil fits for maybe Dark Irregulars and Megacolony, along with Jokers. Aqua Force was Lawful Evil at first in their very first lores and Glory Maelstrom.
I can constantly edit in those updates. Hopefully when people stop playing those cheaters, they stop trying to punk everyone out and read the rules. They could take a look at the standard rules thread too.
It's the fools' fault for getting all their rules only from the anime. We all know how well that works with Yu-Gi-Oh. Seriously, let's stop that.
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It's the categories of alignment. Chaotic Evil fits for maybe Dark Irregulars and Megacolony, along with Jokers. Aqua Force was Lawful Evil at first in their very first lores and Glory Maelstrom.
I can constantly edit in those updates. Hopefully when people stop playing those cheaters, they stop trying to punk everyone out and read the rules. They could take a look at the standard rules thread too.
It's the fools' fault for getting all their rules only from the anime. We all know how well that works with Yu-Gi-Oh. Seriously, let's stop that.
Well I wouldn't call them "fools" but having topics made for links to all rulings, etc so that people can easily learn them all would be nice. ( Wikia isn't to be trusted 90% of the time lol ) I'd say even higher.
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Well not entirely. While the Cardfight anime has made several blunders and threw around early anime-exclusives that were never seen again... It is supposed to teach you how to play the game and new cards. They usually do play by the rules except maybe one time with Tetra Drive and something else I can't remember.
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Well not entirely. While the Cardfight anime has made several blunders and threw around early anime-exclusives that were never seen again... It is supposed to teach you how to play the game and new cards. They usually do play by the rules except maybe one time with Tetra Drive and something else I can't remember.
True but there's been actually a few more than 1 time that they misplayed, used skill completely wrong, etc but trusting the anime itself as a source for learning everything probably isn't the best idea but for beginner's it's a start.
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Since this topic is drifting from theme to theme probably it should be named "Cheating and other problems".
The anime is great for learning the basic rules and more. If you watch the first episode of every season, it shows up not only how to play but also how use the latest "trend" (LB, BR, Legion.) And even if there were some misplays to fit the plot, we can agree that there were some great plays as well (Aichi's Pellinore deck, Ezel deck, Misaki's soulless Coco deck, etc..). And one thing that I like about the anime was that it showed how the decks evolved. It usually started with a trial deck and as the episodes past, the deck got more complex making the anime to seem more realistic but the misplays were there (now that I think about it, every beginner makes missplays so that kind of has some sense in it.)
I guess there are upsides and downsides but we all can agree that this anime is different from other
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the biggest blunder bushiroad made was letting Kai misplay Dragonewt since he went and retired a G3 and used only 1 cb for dragonewts skill at the first or second time
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the biggest blunder bushiroad made was letting Kai misplay Dragonewt since he went and retired a G3 and used only 1 cb for dragonewts skill at the first or second time
Actually, that's a misconception. That was actually Gaillard retiring his g3 for Prominence Core; but that's debatable.
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this is a misconception?
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the biggest blunder bushiroad made was letting Kai misplay Dragonewt since he went and retired a G3 and used only 1 cb for dragonewts skill at the first or second time
Actually, that's a misconception. That was actually Gaillard retiring his g3 for Prominence Core; but that's debatable.
Yeah I'm pretty sure Lucius is right about that situation with Kai vs Gaillard with him retiring a grade 3 which you can't do with Dragonewt's Legion skill.
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There some plot holes I do agree but we can presume that it might involved some other skills that actgivated when athe rearguard was retired.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vq6y0TDfqg
watch this from 1:30 min and see how Kai cheated
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vq6y0TDfqg
watch this from 1:30 min and see how Kai cheated
Wow the kai in the anime cheated? <,< my friend i didn't thought you are like this!! (to Kai in the anime)
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Just so you all know, this is not the first time someone in the anime has "Cheated"
Leon did it again Koutei with Tetra Wave. There's probably plenty more examples of it other places as well.
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In kai vs aichi the first fight of the anime there are some mistakes too.
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this entire conversation reminds me of some stupid video I saw but cant remember the name of, where Aichi used an ENTIRE deck of Gallatin and Kai drew like 20 draw triggers in a row.
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this entire conversation reminds me of some stupid video I saw but cant remember the name of, where Aichi used an ENTIRE deck of Gallatin and Kai drew like 20 draw triggers in a row.
Bahr attack gallatin! i guard with flogal! lol
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I love how this convo has gone from talking about cheaters on Area to cardfight vanguard anime errors. Can we rename it? I like this topic a lot better now that it's off topic. :) But seriously saying something on topic not every one intends to cheat but most just don't care to listen and read the effects carefully enough.
Bahr attack gallatin! i guard with flogal! lol
This was one of the mistakes that was actually fixed in the english version. Which is quite funny.
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Let's assume Kai retired another unit in replace of core,it won't affect the results