Link Joker and Locking

[AloisTrancy]

I've seen tons of hate around for this clan, and though I don't agree, i figured it would be better to actually have a topic directed towards filling in your own personal opinions about the clan, rather than having others constantly bring up their personal griefs towards the clan on unrelated topics.

So here you are, the "official" Link Joker/Lock discussion topic. Feel free to leave an opinion or argue with one as you see fit
But, uh, do still abide by the rules, mkay? Wouldn't want anyone to get banned.

Enjoy.

[[ER] Patrickzzz]

I think they are annoying, but that's it strenght wise is a normal clan. Btw someone call Max here xD

[Cherry]

clan's stupid

/thread

No but, Deletors are the only reason I can tolerate lock. They aren't just "hurr durr lock all" and Delete can still be mostly played around. It makes me mad seeing people call Deletors weak or useless. They only seem like that because they're actually balanced and let the opponent play. I understand why people want to argue Jokers are fine because Lock is just about the only thing they can do (sans cases like Blaster Joker's critical stacking).

btw cant wait for max to come to this thread and write a 10 page essay on joker hate

[Ren «Я»]

I love this hate everyone has for Link Joker. lol It's a clan just like the others. It locks, etc. It's what the clan does, people need to get over it.

Just like every other clan, Link Joker is no exception to having it's own share in amount of flaws. And can be easily beaten just like every other clan.

Fact remains Link Joker isn't going anywhere lmfao So I don't think making a thread so people can trash talk the clan is the best idea but it'd be interesting to read what people have to say.

[AloisTrancy]

I didn't make the thread solely for people to trash talk Link Joker
It's a discussion thread, meaning it's for anyone who wants to put out their own opinion on Link Joker

I am hoping this will help deter people from taking over other threads with their dislike of Link Joker, however.

[Hagoromo Kitsune]

Actually, there's no reason to hate the clan other than it makes you ragequit when your opponent rides glendios and you just happen to have 5 locked cards because of darmstadtium/zodiac/glendios combo, also deletors are really easy to deal with unless that he/she backs you in a corner, then you have the authority to hate the LJ player, I personally think that anyone who uses LJ are players that really don't want to lose.

[Ren «Я»]

I didn't make the thread solely for people to trash talk Link Joker
It's a discussion thread, meaning it's for anyone who wants to put out their own opinion on Link Joker

I am hoping this will help deter people from taking over other threads with their dislike of Link Joker, however.

"I am hoping this will help deter people from taking over other threads with their dislike of Link Joker, however."

Isn't that basically just saying. I wanna make a new topic so that people talk about there dislike of Link Joker on one thread not 50 lol. Even though the 1st part of what you said is okay. "It's a discussion thread, meaning it's for anyone who wants to put out their own opinion on Link Joker" But if people are gonna do that they might as well do that for every clan not just hatred on LJ lol. But I see the reasons to why you'd make it so I have no problems. Just found it interesting

[AloisTrancy]

It is meant as a deterrent, but I had no intention of it being a "Link Joker hate thread"
Just a place for people to take their thoughts and personal feelings towards link joker to.

Anyways, feel free to partake in the conversation, I'll just pop in every now and then to try and keep it on topic here.

[Lucius]

lel i don't see a reason to hate Link Joker, sure they have skills that annoy many People but come on just because they monopolize the lock? sure they aren't as supported as Link Joker but Nubatama actually monopolizes the bind Zone which is more dangerous than the so-called 'most annoying ability' lock but just because nubatama is the least supported clan of all(don't you dare to mention Etranger) nobody complains of them actually being able to monopolize the opponents Hand. And lets not Forget lock isn't the end of the world(world end doesn't Count) so you should be able to deal with it since it normally costs quite a bit to maintain lock permanently and lets not Forget believe in your Vanguard.

[Cherry]

I don't think telling people to "get over" a mechanic that encourages more Vanguard centric designs that are Glory clones or Restanders, and discourages rearguard centrics like Aqua Force/Nova Grappler is entirely fair. Everyone gets it's here to stay and the clan does what it's meant to do. They even understand the clan has glaring weaknesses. Doesn't mean Lock itself is all that well balanced when it gives the mindset of: "don't play x in tournaments because Lock wrecks you since your skills rely on rearguards". Then again, retiring can be argued to do just the same. Though you can replace them immediately instead of waiting a turn.

Plus this isn't just a hate thread. It's for sharing opinions as a whole. People can come in and defend or even state what they like about it.

Like, for an example, I love Nebula Lord. It's a boss that doesn't care about the defenses Lock brings, but specializes in insane offensive power. It never cared when Monarch Alfred or Ezel Scissors hit the market, it just locks for the sake of staying in theme with the clan. But Nebula Lord focuses more on winning faster than controlling the game and wasting the opponent's time by not letting them play at all. I'm a little sad units like Dark Zodiac and Blaster Joker completely overshadow the havoc Nebula can wreak with the new support. Sword Viper can be an immediate +3000 to everything else in the front row if it hits, Photon is a free +3000, the omega lockers keep up your +3000, and so on. It's sort of reliant on actually getting all of that setup but it still feels amazing.

[Lucius]

I don't think telling people to "get over" a mechanic that encourages more Vanguard centric designs that are Glory clones or Restanders, and discourages rearguard centrics like Aqua Force/Nova Grappler is entirely fair. Everyone gets it's here to stay and the clan does what it's meant to do. They even understand the clan has glaring weaknesses. Doesn't mean Lock itself is all that well balanced when it gives the mindset of: "don't play x in tournaments because Lock wrecks you since your skills rely on rearguards". Then again, retiring can be argued to do just the same. Though you can replace them immediately instead of waiting a turn.

Plus this isn't just a hate thread. It's for sharing opinions as a whole. People can come in and defend or even state what they like about it.

Like, for an example, I love Nebula Lord. It's a boss that doesn't care about the defenses Lock brings, but specializes in insane offensive power. It never cared when Monarch Alfred or Ezel Scissors hit the market, it just locks for the sake of staying in theme with the clan. But Nebula Lord focuses more on winning faster than controlling the game and wasting the opponent's time by not letting them play at all. I'm a little sad units like Dark Zodiac and Blaster Joker completely overshadow the havoc Nebula can wreak with the new support. Sword Viper can be an immediate +3000 to everything else in the front row if it hits, Photon is a free +3000, the omega lockers keep up your +3000, and so on. It's sort of reliant on actually getting all of that setup but it still feels amazing.

well ya nebula Lords skill truly is nice but the Problem is that Nebula Lords Lock just isn't spamable enough even if you use Photon and etc. well would be different if he got especial counterblast like venom dancer

[Cherry]

I don't think telling people to "get over" a mechanic that encourages more Vanguard centric designs that are Glory clones or Restanders, and discourages rearguard centrics like Aqua Force/Nova Grappler is entirely fair. Everyone gets it's here to stay and the clan does what it's meant to do. They even understand the clan has glaring weaknesses. Doesn't mean Lock itself is all that well balanced when it gives the mindset of: "don't play x in tournaments because Lock wrecks you since your skills rely on rearguards". Then again, retiring can be argued to do just the same. Though you can replace them immediately instead of waiting a turn.

Plus this isn't just a hate thread. It's for sharing opinions as a whole. People can come in and defend or even state what they like about it.

Like, for an example, I love Nebula Lord. It's a boss that doesn't care about the defenses Lock brings, but specializes in insane offensive power. It never cared when Monarch Alfred or Ezel Scissors hit the market, it just locks for the sake of staying in theme with the clan. But Nebula Lord focuses more on winning faster than controlling the game and wasting the opponent's time by not letting them play at all. I'm a little sad units like Dark Zodiac and Blaster Joker completely overshadow the havoc Nebula can wreak with the new support. Sword Viper can be an immediate +3000 to everything else in the front row if it hits, Photon is a free +3000, the omega lockers keep up your +3000, and so on. It's sort of reliant on actually getting all of that setup but it still feels amazing.

well ya nebula Lords skill truly is nice but the Problem is that Nebula Lords Lock just isn't spamable enough even if you use Photon and etc. well would be different if he got especial counterblast like venom dancer

Counterblast 2 for a backrow lock is already ridiculous as it is. I don't think an especial counterblast 1 would have killed anyone.

[Ren «Я»]

I don't think telling people to "get over" a mechanic that encourages more Vanguard centric designs that are Glory clones or Restanders, and discourages rearguard centrics like Aqua Force/Nova Grappler is entirely fair. Everyone gets it's here to stay and the clan does what it's meant to do. They even understand the clan has glaring weaknesses. Doesn't mean Lock itself is all that well balanced when it gives the mindset of: "don't play x in tournaments because Lock wrecks you since your skills rely on rearguards". Then again, retiring can be argued to do just the same. Though you can replace them immediately instead of waiting a turn.

Plus this isn't just a hate thread. It's for sharing opinions as a whole. People can come in and defend or even state what they like about it.

Like, for an example, I love Nebula Lord. It's a boss that doesn't care about the defenses Lock brings, but specializes in insane offensive power. It never cared when Monarch Alfred or Ezel Scissors hit the market, it just locks for the sake of staying in theme with the clan. But Nebula Lord focuses more on winning faster than controlling the game and wasting the opponent's time by not letting them play at all. I'm a little sad units like Dark Zodiac and Blaster Joker completely overshadow the havoc Nebula can wreak with the new support. Sword Viper can be an immediate +3000 to everything else in the front row if it hits, Photon is a free +3000, the omega lockers keep up your +3000, and so on. It's sort of reliant on actually getting all of that setup but it still feels amazing.

well ya nebula Lords skill truly is nice but the Problem is that Nebula Lords Lock just isn't spamable enough even if you use Photon and etc. well would be different if he got especial counterblast like venom dancer

Counterblast 2 for a backrow lock is already ridiculous as it is. I don't think an especial counterblast 1 would have killed anyone.

Uh people still use Nebula Lord?

[Doctor Who]

I hate locking, With the delete it's dealable but they force u to discard as well. I don't know what Bushi thought when they released this strategy but they clearly didn't thought with their brains.

[Lucius]

I hate locking, With the delete it's dealable but they force u to discard as well. I don't know what Bushi thought when they released this strategy but they clearly didn't thought with their brains.

if remember right deletors are being brought to real vanguard at the same time as strides come so well... that Argument is rather invalid